12 Dec 2017, 5:52 am
12 Dec 2017, 7:46 am
12 Dec 2017, 7:57 am
cubedemon6073 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah. 
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help
. You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it
.
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives .
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help
. You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.I have asked for help. I've never really received it
.If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that
. The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives .Thinking of contacting you and then not? No. Just like in this thread I was in near constant contact with you via this forum. YOU were so determined not to do a damned thing to help yourself any that it would have been a complete waste of time & resources for me to make the drive to try to track you down and give you things you wouldn't have appreciated or utilized. How is that not crystal clear?
Uh, WTF? You've asked for help over and over and over in this thread and SEVERAL people have replied to your posts with VERY HELPFUL suggestions & advice and yet you continue to respond and say that you never received any help and woe is me if you could just get a little help. What do you call ALL of the helpful advice, suggestions, and recommendations people have made in this very thread? Proves my point exactly, really. You ask for help, people offer it, you refuse it, complain, and ask for help as if no one had even made a response & offered you any assistance at all! Hell, you're staying in some taxpayer or charity funded rehab place that's staffed with all kinds of people helping you with a roof over your head, meals to eat, a place to sleep, a place to heal & rehabilitate yourself - what do you call ALL of that around the clock help besides "HELP"? Whether the people on this forum coming to your aid with advice, or the people all around you providing you with the necessities of life, you refuse to acknowledge that you're CONSTANTLY being given all kinds of help & pretending that no one is helping you at all - and from your own posts and the replies to this thread, that's complete and utter BS.
You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. There are literally COUNTLESS people out there in worse situations than you that would be genuinely APPRECIATIVE of even ONE TENTH the help you're being given right now! There's a reason that the phrase "God helps those who help themselves," exists. Anyone who receives help & makes the most of it will be given even more help by others. People who act like you do towards all the help they're given or offered don't deserve to keep getting the attention of others if your intention is to nothing with it but shoot it down and whine and complain that "I've never really received it
" when it's crystal clear to all who are reading this that people ALL AROUND THE WORLD are offering their help to you.Sorry, but there's just no pleasant way to communicate those points to you. Hopefully getting a bit of a blast makes you realize just how lucky you are & how good you have it with all the social system resources and online advice you keep getting despite your absolutely inexcusable miserable reaction to it.
edit: This was my 5,000th post. Yay!
You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "
What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.
Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.
I looked it up and appreciation and gratitude are synonyms. They are synonymous with each other. They are interchangeable with each other. Both words mean the same thing. The dictionary uses the word appreciation to define the word gratitude and vice versa.
I think you must be confusing the word gratitude with some other word.
12 Dec 2017, 8:07 am
goldfish21 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "
What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.
Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.
What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.
Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.
It seems that your calling my words "BS" is based on some sort of misunderstanding of the definitions of the words grateful & gratitude. Nowhere in their definitions, or my understanding of them, is anyone's suffering a requirement.
The Dictionary wrote:
grate·ful
ˈɡrātfəl/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing an appreciation of kindness; thankful.
"I'm very grateful to you for all your help"
synonyms: thankful, appreciative; More
archaic
received or experienced with gratitude; welcome.
"enjoying the grateful shade"
grat·i·tude
ˈɡradəˌt(y)o͞od/Submit
noun
noun: gratitude
the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.
"she expressed her gratitude to the committee for their support"
synonyms: gratefulness, thankfulness, thanks, appreciation, indebtedness; More
ˈɡrātfəl/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing an appreciation of kindness; thankful.
"I'm very grateful to you for all your help"
synonyms: thankful, appreciative; More
archaic
received or experienced with gratitude; welcome.
"enjoying the grateful shade"
grat·i·tude
ˈɡradəˌt(y)o͞od/Submit
noun
noun: gratitude
the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.
"she expressed her gratitude to the committee for their support"
synonyms: gratefulness, thankfulness, thanks, appreciation, indebtedness; More
Goldfish, there is also something called context as well. Ok, I'll give it to you that gratitude and appreciation are synonymous. So, I will change my argument a bit and claim that there is a particular form of gratitude and appreciation is something I'm against.
First, let's show what I am in agree with. Let's say I need help to move things around my home. You come and help me to do so. I have a sense of appreciation for what you did for me. I thank you. A month later, I take you out to eat to show my appreciation. To me, this is gratitude I'm with.
Now, you're telling ASS-P that there are others worse off then them and he is ungrateful. What does this imply? This implies that for ASS-P to be grateful others have to be suffering. Others must suffer for ASS-P to feel gratitude. It's the equivalent of what my grandma did with my dad when he was a child. Her attitude was that my dad should finish his plate because others were starving in Ethiopia and he should be grateful that he has a meal. But, by that logic my dad's gratitude depends upon others starving in Ethiopia.
This story is an allegory as to what I'm talking about. https://www.utilitarianism.com/nu/omelas.pdf To sum up, for them to keep their paradise and utopia one person had to be kept in a broom closet all his life. Their culture was a sense of gratitude that everyone else had it better then this boy.
He should not feel gratitude that others are worse off then him. He should feel gratitude towards others for what he does have and the help he did receive because others are "choosing" to go out of their way for him out of the kindness of their own hearts.
12 Dec 2017, 8:09 am
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah.
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help . You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it .
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives .
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help
. You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.I have asked for help. I've never really received it
.If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that
. The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives .Thinking of contacting you and then not? No. Just like in this thread I was in near constant contact with you via this forum. YOU were so determined not to do a damned thing to help yourself any that it would have been a complete waste of time & resources for me to make the drive to try to track you down and give you things you wouldn't have appreciated or utilized. How is that not crystal clear?
Uh, WTF? You've asked for help over and over and over in this thread and SEVERAL people have replied to your posts with VERY HELPFUL suggestions & advice and yet you continue to respond and say that you never received any help and woe is me if you could just get a little help. What do you call ALL of the helpful advice, suggestions, and recommendations people have made in this very thread? Proves my point exactly, really. You ask for help, people offer it, you refuse it, complain, and ask for help as if no one had even made a response & offered you any assistance at all! Hell, you're staying in some taxpayer or charity funded rehab place that's staffed with all kinds of people helping you with a roof over your head, meals to eat, a place to sleep, a place to heal & rehabilitate yourself - what do you call ALL of that around the clock help besides "HELP"? Whether the people on this forum coming to your aid with advice, or the people all around you providing you with the necessities of life, you refuse to acknowledge that you're CONSTANTLY being given all kinds of help & pretending that no one is helping you at all - and from your own posts and the replies to this thread, that's complete and utter BS.
You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. There are literally COUNTLESS people out there in worse situations than you that would be genuinely APPRECIATIVE of even ONE TENTH the help you're being given right now! There's a reason that the phrase "God helps those who help themselves," exists. Anyone who receives help & makes the most of it will be given even more help by others. People who act like you do towards all the help they're given or offered don't deserve to keep getting the attention of others if your intention is to nothing with it but shoot it down and whine and complain that "I've never really received it
" when it's crystal clear to all who are reading this that people ALL AROUND THE WORLD are offering their help to you.Sorry, but there's just no pleasant way to communicate those points to you. Hopefully getting a bit of a blast makes you realize just how lucky you are & how good you have it with all the social system resources and online advice you keep getting despite your absolutely inexcusable miserable reaction to it.
edit: This was my 5,000th post. Yay!
You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "
What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.
Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.
I looked it up and appreciation and gratitude are synonyms. They are synonymous with each other. They are interchangeable with each other. Both words mean the same thing. The dictionary uses the word appreciation to define the word gratitude and vice versa.
I think you must be confusing the word gratitude with some other word.
You're right. I changed my argument a bit to illustrate my underlying point.
12 Dec 2017, 8:12 am
cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah.
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help . You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it .
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives .
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help
. You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.I have asked for help. I've never really received it
.If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that
. The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives .Thinking of contacting you and then not? No. Just like in this thread I was in near constant contact with you via this forum. YOU were so determined not to do a damned thing to help yourself any that it would have been a complete waste of time & resources for me to make the drive to try to track you down and give you things you wouldn't have appreciated or utilized. How is that not crystal clear?
Uh, WTF? You've asked for help over and over and over in this thread and SEVERAL people have replied to your posts with VERY HELPFUL suggestions & advice and yet you continue to respond and say that you never received any help and woe is me if you could just get a little help. What do you call ALL of the helpful advice, suggestions, and recommendations people have made in this very thread? Proves my point exactly, really. You ask for help, people offer it, you refuse it, complain, and ask for help as if no one had even made a response & offered you any assistance at all! Hell, you're staying in some taxpayer or charity funded rehab place that's staffed with all kinds of people helping you with a roof over your head, meals to eat, a place to sleep, a place to heal & rehabilitate yourself - what do you call ALL of that around the clock help besides "HELP"? Whether the people on this forum coming to your aid with advice, or the people all around you providing you with the necessities of life, you refuse to acknowledge that you're CONSTANTLY being given all kinds of help & pretending that no one is helping you at all - and from your own posts and the replies to this thread, that's complete and utter BS.
You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. There are literally COUNTLESS people out there in worse situations than you that would be genuinely APPRECIATIVE of even ONE TENTH the help you're being given right now! There's a reason that the phrase "God helps those who help themselves," exists. Anyone who receives help & makes the most of it will be given even more help by others. People who act like you do towards all the help they're given or offered don't deserve to keep getting the attention of others if your intention is to nothing with it but shoot it down and whine and complain that "I've never really received it
" when it's crystal clear to all who are reading this that people ALL AROUND THE WORLD are offering their help to you.Sorry, but there's just no pleasant way to communicate those points to you. Hopefully getting a bit of a blast makes you realize just how lucky you are & how good you have it with all the social system resources and online advice you keep getting despite your absolutely inexcusable miserable reaction to it.
edit: This was my 5,000th post. Yay!
You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "
What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.
Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.
I looked it up and appreciation and gratitude are synonyms. They are synonymous with each other. They are interchangeable with each other. Both words mean the same thing. The dictionary uses the word appreciation to define the word gratitude and vice versa.
I think you must be confusing the word gratitude with some other word.
You're right. I changed my argument a bit to illustrate my underlying point.
Yeah I saw your expansion on it. Nonetheless I'm greatful that even though I need a lot of assistance, I don't need the level of assistance of someone I know who is a C-5 quadriplegic. It helps me put my misery in perspective.
It's like that old saying; I cried because I had no shoes, until I met someone with no feet.
I'm not arguing your perspective is incorrect and the other is correct though
12 Dec 2017, 11:14 am
...I would rather receive the items myself, but it's looking like I won't be at this rehab much longer, and so would be unable to receive it here . At least the NYS lawyer is looking like he would be able to send the package to whoever the recipient of it is having paid for it himself, so, no expense for the recipient.
I had pictures myself getting an apartment of some kind, ratger as Kraftiekortie drew it, and being reunited with what there is of my old stuff there but that doesn't look likely now .
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
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12 Dec 2017, 11:18 am
12 Dec 2017, 11:19 am
ASS-P wrote:
...I would rather receive the items myself, but it's looking like I won't be at this rehab much longer, and so would be unable to receive it here .
.Fine then provide they lawyer's phone number so that arrangements can be made with him since he's the one who knows the details of the cargo, the legalities and he is the one doing the shipping.
12 Dec 2017, 11:22 am
12 Dec 2017, 11:30 am
12 Dec 2017, 11:33 am
...Please read the longer version.of my last post which I just pur up, I had to put it up in installments due to this very touchy phone, on which I lost drafts .
I do have more details about the lawyer's name, etcetera, and mine - If anybody wants to know they could PM me.
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
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