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06 Jun 2009, 2:34 pm

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The anti-cure movement is too aggressive and I am beginning to feel of it as one-sided.


I agree with you, even though I personally don't want to be cured, I am not anti-cure in that if someone wants a cure I respect their decision. And it is very one sided, because their are people who do want to find a cure and when a parent finds out their child is autistic it can be hard to adjust to, so of course they might want one when they first find out. I am not saying I'm for autism speaks, I hate those guys, but I'm not going to the other extreme and be completely anti cure like those nuts on AFF (aspies for freedom).


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06 Jun 2009, 2:37 pm

MONKEY wrote:
jimmister wrote:
The anti-cure movement is too aggressive and I am beginning to feel of it as one-sided.


I agree with you, even though I personally don't want to be cured, I am not anti-cure in that if someone wants a cure I respect their decision. And it is very one sided, because their are people who do want to find a cure and when a parent finds out their child is autistic it can be hard to adjust to, so of course they might want one when they first find out. I am not saying I'm for autism speaks, I hate those guys, but I'm not going to the other extreme and be completely anti cure like those nuts on AFF (aspies for freedom).
I agree with you about AFF, but I respsect the members, mods and admins there.



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06 Jun 2009, 2:39 pm

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jimmister wrote:
The anti-cure movement is too aggressive and I am beginning to feel of it as one-sided.


I agree with you, even though I personally don't want to be cured, I am not anti-cure in that if someone wants a cure I respect their decision. And it is very one sided, because their are people who do want to find a cure and when a parent finds out their child is autistic it can be hard to adjust to, so of course they might want one when they first find out. I am not saying I'm for autism speaks, I hate those guys, but I'm not going to the other extreme and be completely anti cure like those nuts on AFF (aspies for freedom).
I agree with you about AFF, but I respsect the members, mods and admins there.


Yeah I respect them to, I have a balanced view.


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06 Jun 2009, 5:58 pm

I was discussing this thread with my wife and how the majority response to the question of "would you take a cure" was strongly negative. My wife responded with a bit of irony and frustration,, "Why don't they ask the people who have to live with them?".

For that reason I think I will start a new thread asking the question of what can an Aspie do in order to better live with family members, be they Aspie or NT. I will post it on the Social Skills Forum under the title "Modus Vivendi"


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06 Jun 2009, 6:07 pm

I would like a temporary cure. Something I can take before I go out, but that wears off in a few hours



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06 Jun 2009, 6:10 pm

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"Why don't they ask the people who have to live with them?".


Ouch!

But a very good point. :?



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08 Jun 2009, 11:35 am

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I had a thought last week...

If I was "cured" now, so late in life, it would actually make me less functional and far worse.

I am too used to being who I am, and too old to get used to being someone else.

The curebies really don't think of that.


This is so true, and the main reason why i couldn't finish my masters. My autistic techniques weren't working anymore and i didn't yet know how to be the new me, so i was just there, like... empty, and my grades reflected it: zero, zero, zero, zero, fifty, zero, zero...

Now i am two years older and i still don't feel i could pass if i tried again.

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I would not take the cure. I have too many gifts and talents, and I wouldn't want to lose them. I'm also not a defective victim. I feel sorry for autistic children, nowadays, because they have to go through therapy, and they're not allowed to be children, anymore.


Yeah like ABA therapy. I saw a video of that on Youtube. The kid had school all day, then therapy, then after all that they were trying to teach him how to correctly play with his toys. It looked horrible.


Teaching them something they're supposed to do for fun? What's next? Teaching autistic women how to fake orgasms?


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08 Jun 2009, 12:26 pm

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Teaching them something they're supposed to do for fun? What's next? Teaching autistic women how to fake orgasms?


Hey why not, the NT women do... :lol:
Or so I've heard... not that I have ANY personal experience of being an NT...
I mean, we already have to pretend like we CARE...
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08 Jun 2009, 3:08 pm

no. i would never ever ever ever ever under any circumstances want to mess with my neurology in order to make the people around me's lives a tiny bit easier. if i can't be me, then i'd rather be nobody. as in.. if the choice was between the "cure" or death, i'd gladly choose the latter.


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08 Jun 2009, 4:23 pm

An age-based reply:

AGE RESPONSE
1-4 FOOD
6 YES!! !! !
7 YES!! !!
8 YES!! !
9 YES!!
10 YES!
11 YES
12 yes
13 Yeah, sure
14 YES!! !! I mean NO!! !! I mean, WhO ThE FraK AM i ?!?
15 Is that a drug? Yeah, drugs...
16 I don't know. Look! Girrrrrls >_> hee hee
17 Maybe not
18 Nah, probably not
19 no
20+ Awww, HELL NO


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09 Jun 2009, 6:42 pm

Normal people are losers. They're obsessively social, shallow and unrebellious. They have no personal freedom because it's taken by social instincts. Also, I once read an article about how the more advanced a society becomes, the greater the need nerds (people who can choose a career and focus on it intensely). That's us.



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09 Jun 2009, 8:10 pm

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I know this has probably been mentioned before on WP, but I figured I would start a new thread. So would you take the cure for Asperger's Syndrome if it existed. I honestly don't know if I would or not.


No way! I have lived with the condition long enough that I have no desire to change. From the stand point of convenience, I would have had an easier childhood if I had been born an NT. But I wasn't.

I went to a lot of trouble to learn to navigate in the NT world (where I spend most of my time). I would not want all that effort to go to waste.

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09 Jun 2009, 8:18 pm

protest_the_hero wrote:
Normal people are losers. They're obsessively social, shallow and unrebellious. They have no personal freedom because it's taken by social instincts. Also, I once read an article about how the more advanced a society becomes, the greater the need nerds (people who can choose a career and focus on it intensely). That's us.


These are not necessarily negative things and you cannot generalise about NT people and how they are (or people with AS). It depends on personal preference as to what you value in life. You criticising the way NTs think is no better than NTs criticising the way people on the spectrum think. You cannot change how your brain is designed (at least at this point in time), whether you are NT or AS so both sides should focus on the positives that both sides have to offer.



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10 Jun 2009, 12:04 pm

Not me no. Put it this way. If I'd never got drunk in my life, I wouldn't want to walk into work the first time I was drunk. None-autistics know how to handle not being autistic, they've had a whole lifes training for it. Me on the other hand, well if I suddenly wasn't autistic how would I cope?



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11 Jun 2009, 12:43 am

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Not me no. Put it this way. If I'd never got drunk in my life, I wouldn't want to walk into work the first time I was drunk. None-autistics know how to handle not being autistic, they've had a whole lifes training for it. Me on the other hand, well if I suddenly wasn't autistic how would I cope?


I really do not understand this point of view, and the similar ones expressed in this thread. Surely in the unlikely event of a cure for aspergers becoming available in a pill form, there would be no difficulty coping, because that is the purpose of the cure, suddenly social interactions, facial expression, empathy, etc would suddenly make sense. Therefore no problem coping!! !!

Sure there might be some sensory overload, but hardly anything like what a blind person who suddenly gets their sight back would experience


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11 Jun 2009, 5:57 am

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Lomata wrote:
Not me no. Put it this way. If I'd never got drunk in my life, I wouldn't want to walk into work the first time I was drunk. None-autistics know how to handle not being autistic, they've had a whole lifes training for it. Me on the other hand, well if I suddenly wasn't autistic how would I cope?


I really do not understand this point of view, and the similar ones expressed in this thread. Surely in the unlikely event of a cure for aspergers becoming available in a pill form, there would be no difficulty coping, because that is the purpose of the cure, suddenly social interactions, facial expression, empathy, etc would suddenly make sense. Therefore no problem coping!! !!

Sure there might be some sensory overload, but hardly anything like what a blind person who suddenly gets their sight back would experience

A blind man who suddenly gets his sight back would have to learn how to see (assuming he was blind from birth), because the brain has to make sense of something new (in this case sight). Same with autism, the brain (and the person) would have to make sense of the new instincts.

I think people mean that you would have to get used to the new "you". That's because autism is a part of you, so if you take that way or "cure" it than you would be changing a part of yourself. Therefore you would have to get used to that changed part of yourself.

My answer is no. I would not take the cure. I like who and what I am.
If I want to change, I need to able to chose what and how much to change - I need to be in control of the change.