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04 Aug 2009, 8:46 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Dogs do that stuff too. Haven't you observed the behaviour of dogs? They wrestle and pretend to fight with each other, bite each other, just like humans.


Yeah but I thought you were talking from a human stand point on fighting for fun



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04 Aug 2009, 8:54 pm

Ebonwinter wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Dogs do that stuff too. Haven't you observed the behaviour of dogs? They wrestle and pretend to fight with each other, bite each other, just like humans.


Yeah but I thought you were talking from a human stand point on fighting for fun

It's another thing dogs and humans have in common. They play fight. Maybe this has something to do with hierarchial establishment in both species? It's also a reason some people prefer dogs as pets.



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04 Aug 2009, 8:57 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Ebonwinter wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Dogs do that stuff too. Haven't you observed the behaviour of dogs? They wrestle and pretend to fight with each other, bite each other, just like humans.


Yeah but I thought you were talking from a human stand point on fighting for fun

It's another thing dogs and humans have in common. They play fight. Maybe this has something to do with hierarchial establishment in both species? It's also a reason some people prefer dogs as pets.


I'm a cat man lol



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05 Aug 2009, 4:31 am

Rather than the diatribe itself, I find it more interesting to try to figure out who is behind the sock puppet username. Female, with almost perfect grammar and spelling. Even the hyphenation-as-dashes is used correctly. It should be two dashes -- like this. Also emphasis is indicated with asterisks rather than caps or bold formatting.

They are truly passionate about their topics and not entirely trolling just for fun. This is evinced by minor mistakes like running two words together or the occasional misspelling. This person did not even need to use a spell-checker. Examples and references used in this and the other post indicate a likely age of 35-45 with right-wing political orientation.

However, they have made one important mistake. There exists one telling characteristic that can be used to identify them. Their consistent use of "eachother" in both postings. It occurs FOUR times in total, twice in this post and twice in the other. An unusual "tell" for someone with otherwise exceptional writing skills.

If the userbase is searched for this unusual string ("eachother"), and hits are found with consistent usage for a female with otherwise impeccable grammar, spelling, and decent vocabulary within the age range, it should be possible to identify the hand inside the sock puppet and discipline or delete them.

If desired, this could be further corroborated by locating the suspect IP addresses geographically as this user has been posting since May; i.e. they are not just away on a trip but are probably posting from a nearby coffee house, etc.

Feel free to join the sleuthing with your own observations if you are so inclined. :)


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05 Aug 2009, 9:47 am

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When we are able to understand that there is no collective consciousness ganging up on us, then we have a better chance of understanding how we function and interrelate with those who think and work differently than ourselves.


Are you so sure on this point? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_unconscious

Some even argue if we have free will at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will

Are these views people want to believe? No. But you have to consider that many of the smartest people in the world have put forth the possibility based on life experience.

That said, I agree with the premise of your point. That you should strive for harmony. Yet the reality is that most others do not... but that's no excuse for you to not do it! I offer up a choice Joseph Campbell quote:


This is the threat to our lives. We all face it. We all operate in our society in relation to a system. Now is the system going to eat you up and relieve you of your humanity or are you going to be able to use the system to human purposes? ... If the person doesn't listen to the demands of his own spiritual and heart life and insists on a certain program, you're going to have a schizophrenic [possible outdated non medical definition] crack-up. The person has put himself off center. He has aligned himself with a programmatic life and it's not the one the body's interested in at all. And the world's full of people who have stopped listening to themselves.



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05 Aug 2009, 11:26 am

A 'collective unconscious' cannot gang up on us; what undercurrents and predispositions that do exist are so ingrained as to be considered reactions instead of instances of will in my opinion. I am a believer in free will; I just don't also believe that all the doors are open to the opportunity/scenario either.

The system affects only to the extent that one is dependent on the system; free yourself from being subject to its' whims and you no longer bear the brunt of its effects.


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05 Aug 2009, 11:54 am

Gosh, I seem to be in the minority in feeling strong sympathy for this individual. That said, I haven't seen any other posts of hers; I'm relatively new to WP.

I think it'd be fair to classify the emotion behind her strong words as anger, and that anger probably comes from continuous pain in her relationships with others. Surely most if not all of us know what that's like, at least to some degree!

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05 Aug 2009, 12:02 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:
Rather than the diatribe itself, I find it more interesting to try to figure out who is behind the sock puppet username. Female, with almost perfect grammar and spelling. Even the hyphenation-as-dashes is used correctly. It should be two dashes -- like this. Also emphasis is indicated with asterisks rather than caps or bold formatting.

They are truly passionate about their topics and not entirely trolling just for fun. This is evinced by minor mistakes like running two words together or the occasional misspelling. This person did not even need to use a spell-checker. Examples and references used in this and the other post indicate a likely age of 35-45 with right-wing political orientation.

However, they have made one important mistake. There exists one telling characteristic that can be used to identify them. Their consistent use of "eachother" in both postings. It occurs FOUR times in total, twice in this post and twice in the other. An unusual "tell" for someone with otherwise exceptional writing skills.

If the userbase is searched for this unusual string ("eachother"), and hits are found with consistent usage for a female with otherwise impeccable grammar, spelling, and decent vocabulary within the age range, it should be possible to identify the hand inside the sock puppet and discipline or delete them.

If desired, this could be further corroborated by locating the suspect IP addresses geographically as this user has been posting since May; i.e. they are not just away on a trip but are probably posting from a nearby coffee house, etc.

Feel free to join the sleuthing with your own observations if you are so inclined. :)


Sometimes, I accidentally push the words each other together. I will correct it, if I catch my mistake. I'm bound to come up in a search of the term 'eachother', but I promise that I didn't write the original post!



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05 Aug 2009, 12:07 pm

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Gosh, I seem to be in the minority in feeling strong sympathy for this individual. That said, I haven't seen any other posts of hers; I'm relatively new to WP.

I think it'd be fair to classify the emotion behind her strong words as anger, and that anger probably comes from continuous pain in her relationships with others. Surely most if not all of us know what that's like, at least to some degree!

Dan

You could apply the same reasoning to Hitler's antisemitism.


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05 Aug 2009, 3:02 pm

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ViperaAspis wrote:
Rather than the diatribe itself, I find it more interesting to try to figure out who is behind the sock puppet username. Female, with almost perfect grammar and spelling. Even the hyphenation-as-dashes is used correctly. It should be two dashes -- like this. Also emphasis is indicated with asterisks rather than caps or bold formatting.

They are truly passionate about their topics and not entirely trolling just for fun. This is evinced by minor mistakes like running two words together or the occasional misspelling. This person did not even need to use a spell-checker. Examples and references used in this and the other post indicate a likely age of 35-45 with right-wing political orientation.

However, they have made one important mistake. There exists one telling characteristic that can be used to identify them. Their consistent use of "eachother" in both postings. It occurs FOUR times in total, twice in this post and twice in the other. An unusual "tell" for someone with otherwise exceptional writing skills.

If the userbase is searched for this unusual string ("eachother"), and hits are found with consistent usage for a female with otherwise impeccable grammar, spelling, and decent vocabulary within the age range, it should be possible to identify the hand inside the sock puppet and discipline or delete them.

If desired, this could be further corroborated by locating the suspect IP addresses geographically as this user has been posting since May; i.e. they are not just away on a trip but are probably posting from a nearby coffee house, etc.

Feel free to join the sleuthing with your own observations if you are so inclined. :)


Sometimes, I accidentally push the words each other together. I will correct it, if I catch my mistake. I'm bound to come up in a search of the term 'eachother', but I promise that I didn't write the original post!


I should clarify: I am not asking for usernames or accusations here (please don't post names), nor am I going to be making any. The criteria I listed are just the most simplistic and obvious ones. Analysis takes the presence of multiple elements like these and the absence of same to come up with a match. So far, I have found nothing but a match with another sock puppet from 2006. If and when anything else comes up, I will send it to a mod in a PM. If by chance anyone knows who the author really is, I would suggest you do the same.

Let's not go witch-hunting ;)


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05 Aug 2009, 3:10 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:
serenity wrote:
ViperaAspis wrote:
Rather than the diatribe itself, I find it more interesting to try to figure out who is behind the sock puppet username. Female, with almost perfect grammar and spelling. Even the hyphenation-as-dashes is used correctly. It should be two dashes -- like this. Also emphasis is indicated with asterisks rather than caps or bold formatting.

They are truly passionate about their topics and not entirely trolling just for fun. This is evinced by minor mistakes like running two words together or the occasional misspelling. This person did not even need to use a spell-checker. Examples and references used in this and the other post indicate a likely age of 35-45 with right-wing political orientation.

However, they have made one important mistake. There exists one telling characteristic that can be used to identify them. Their consistent use of "eachother" in both postings. It occurs FOUR times in total, twice in this post and twice in the other. An unusual "tell" for someone with otherwise exceptional writing skills.

If the userbase is searched for this unusual string ("eachother"), and hits are found with consistent usage for a female with otherwise impeccable grammar, spelling, and decent vocabulary within the age range, it should be possible to identify the hand inside the sock puppet and discipline or delete them.

If desired, this could be further corroborated by locating the suspect IP addresses geographically as this user has been posting since May; i.e. they are not just away on a trip but are probably posting from a nearby coffee house, etc.

Feel free to join the sleuthing with your own observations if you are so inclined. :)


Sometimes, I accidentally push the words each other together. I will correct it, if I catch my mistake. I'm bound to come up in a search of the term 'eachother', but I promise that I didn't write the original post!


I should clarify: I am not asking for usernames or accusations here (please don't post names), nor am I going to be making any. These are simplistic and obvious criteria. Analysis takes the presence of multiple elements like these and the absence of same to come up with a match. So far, I have found nothing but a match with another sock puppet from 2006. If and when anything else comes up, I will send it to a mod in a PM. If by chance anyone knows who the author really is, I would suggest you do the same.

Let's not go witch-hunting ;)


I'm not all that interested in searching. I was kind of making a joke, but at the same time a little worried that someone would implicate me, as I know that I do fit some of the criteria that you mentioned, especially the part about the word 'eachother'. I didn't do a search, and I'm not going to, but I know for a fact that my name will come up in a search for that term. The original post was not all that offensive to me to warrant a search. I really don't care what other people think, or do, just as long as it doesn't directly effect me. (unless they're talking about harming animals, and children, then I care a lot!)



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05 Aug 2009, 4:58 pm

I feel sympathy towards the poster as well. I'm sure she was a kind, loving, fun, happy, easy-going person at one point. But that person is gone. The continuous abuse of an individual by a group inevitably leads to cynicism and anger and hopelessness. I'm well on my way down that path, unless I find a way to separate myself from the bad stimuli. Why can't the world just leave me alone to my own thoughts and my own desires? But no, they feel compelled to force me to play their game by their rules.

The post was actually pretty eloquent, if not diplomatic. ;) Those that feel the same will recognize the analogies and agree with the sentiments, while the rest will probably just dismiss it as an angry rant.

I may post something longer later, to expand upon the dog analogy. (BTW, sniffing excrement could be an analogy for several things in human society.)


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Gosh, I seem to be in the minority in feeling strong sympathy for this individual. That said, I haven't seen any other posts of hers; I'm relatively new to WP.

I think it'd be fair to classify the emotion behind her strong words as anger, and that anger probably comes from continuous pain in her relationships with others. Surely most if not all of us know what that's like, at least to some degree!

Dan

You could apply the same reasoning to Hitler's antisemitism.

Henriksson, you've been taking the good guy act too far, don't you think? Don't let the recent compliments get to your head.



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05 Aug 2009, 5:06 pm

Dilbert wrote:
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Gosh, I seem to be in the minority in feeling strong sympathy for this individual. That said, I haven't seen any other posts of hers; I'm relatively new to WP.

I think it'd be fair to classify the emotion behind her strong words as anger, and that anger probably comes from continuous pain in her relationships with others. Surely most if not all of us know what that's like, at least to some degree!

Dan

You could apply the same reasoning to Hitler's antisemitism.

Henriksson, you've been taking the good guy act too far, don't you think? Don't let the recent compliments get to your head.

You mean you can't actually apply that reasoning?

"I think it'd be fair to classify the emotion behind [Hitler's] strong words as anger, and that anger probably comes from continuous pain in [Hitler's] relationships with others. Surely most if not all of us know what that's like, at least to some degree!"

I'd imagine if she'd ever get her will through, we'd all be treated like dogs!


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05 Aug 2009, 6:58 pm

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They are truly passionate about their topics and not entirely trolling just for fun. This is evinced by minor mistakes like running two words together or the occasional misspelling. This person did not even need to use a spell-checker. Examples and references used in this and the other post indicate a likely age of 35-45 with right-wing political orientation.

I wouldn't judge the author of these threads too harshly. Sounds like whomever it is has a tough time for some reason and wants to talk about it on WP by using these generalizations and metaphors. Maybe this person needs these threads to get thru the day?



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06 Aug 2009, 7:25 am

"You could apply the same reasoning to Hitler's antisemitism."

Oh, I think that's judging the poster a bit too harshly. I don't have any evidence that she's doing anything more than venting her emotions. By the standard above, counselors and psychologists would have to turn in every patient they see as a potential violent aggressor!

Again, I also haven't read any of her other posts, so I'm judging based on this one particular post. It could be you all have every reason to be suspicious of something more sinister. I hope for her sake that's not the case. I'd hate to see someone permanently given over to anger because of their treatment in the wider society. I'm grateful that I've experienced no such temptation as yet!

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06 Aug 2009, 1:41 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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They are truly passionate about their topics and not entirely trolling just for fun. This is evinced by minor mistakes like running two words together or the occasional misspelling. This person did not even need to use a spell-checker. Examples and references used in this and the other post indicate a likely age of 35-45 with right-wing political orientation.

I wouldn't judge the author of these threads too harshly. Sounds like whomever it is has a tough time for some reason and wants to talk about it on WP by using these generalizations and metaphors. Maybe this person needs these threads to get thru the day?


Agreed. My beef is with the use of a secondary username, which is breaking the rules here. For the record: I'm trying to say they are NOT a troll (they were called a troll in the other thread Henriksson references), but are just passionate and afraid that their opinions will impact their main username which seems to have been here for quite some time. I can see how I phrased this sentence poorly; it can be easily misread.

The other beef (if I may continue to malign the word beef at the risk of Cattle Rancher lawsuits (poor Oprah)) I have is with the language in the other post. There is no need to toss about the N-word and worse just to prove a point or demonstrate passion. Name calling simply causes pain.

@Serenity: Actually, you didn't even come up at all (just searching on a single criterion would be useless). In fact, I just checked and there are something like 10,000 hits on "eachother" alone. You don't show because your paragraph structure, quote type and usage, age, hyphenation, and comma usage are a complete mismatch (just for starters). Also, you don't have a lot of very angry political posts abbreviating "left-wing" as "leftie" :) So far, there is just the one hit from the other 2006 puppet.

Personally, I don't find this post offensive either (unlike the other one), although it does sound a bit mean to dogs. I just really like writing analysis :D and a mystery like this is almost irresistable to me.


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