What do you believe about the vaccine theroy?

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"An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." One of my favourite quotes; while I do not agree with the vaccination hypothesis of Autism, there is nothing conclusive in any direction (that I have found) that gives any answers. Even the studies regarding mercury have been very specific and targeted, without a more comprehensive study of effects from conception through early developmental phases. So I caution against your calling 'BS' just as I would anyone insisting that their beliefs on how it is caused is correct - we simply do not know. Insinuating that the problem lies with the parent(s) isn't fair, either.

Lastly, I don't know why one word got the asterisk while the same word in the same post by the same author did not; I'll look into that.


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uh-oh, I think I'm in trouble

Just wanted to clear up the BS question.

Ed the Mod wrote BS as all one word and did not get censored.

Biene wrote bull s**t as two words and did get censored.

s**t can get through in a compound word but can not get by on its own. Neither can it be hyphenated I think.

Lets see: A coward is sometimes referred to as chicken-shit.

Now this thread can go back to sleep.

defiantly genetic in my family, my father was definitely on the spectrum, and 2 of my older sisters sons have aspergers
Ed I think the vaccine theory is bull poop too

Purely Genetic, the vaccines have nothing to do with it. It definitely runs in my mom's side of the family.

Oh, and Jenny McCarthy needs a kick in the face.

Oooh, can I volunteer for the job?

(Disclaimer: I am not actually planning to kick Jenny McCarthy in the face. If you were going to argue that autistics are incapable of sarcasm and therefore I must be dangerously violent, kindly kick yourself in the face. Thank you.)

I'm torn between both arguments, I've been self diagnosed AS for a few months now (and seeking a pro Diag).
My dad was most likely AS (but diagnosed with Bipolar in 70's), and my mother is Rh- (I'm Rh+) and was given rhoGAM (containing Thimerosal) during her 1st and 2nd pregnancy (2nd = me), which seemed to caused severe reactions on my mother and during my birth (7.5 weeks early).

I also have type 1 Diabetes.

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This autism/vaccine theory is dangerous in my opinion if people are going to keep from vaccinating their kids; seems like a load of pseudoscience to me.

The argument for vaccines causing autism has always seemed to be that the rate of autism seemed to go up after vaccines were introduced. True, there were more diagnosed cases of autism. But are the vaccines the reason? I don't think so. I read this once, and it makes a lot of sense. Many of us with autism had birthing issues (50% range). I was delivered by an emergency C-section after getting tangled up in my cord (oxygen deprivation). So I am in the 50% that had a birth problem. Now, had I come about 100 years ago, what is the likelyhood that I would have been born alive? Not a good chance at all. Thanks to today's modern medicine, I was born alive and here I am. How many of you other autistics with birth issues would have been born alive? I believe this can account for an increase in the numbers of autism.

Also---we have a better understanding of what autism is---at least I think. And the better ways to recognize autism have added to the increased prevalence of it. For example, in the United States, Asperger's was not added as a recognized ASD until the early 1990s. So obviously that added to an increase.

We all have an opinion as to what causes autism. Here is mine:

It is primarily genetic. The genes are passed down to each generation. Some of those genes can be turned "on." They can be turned "on" just be chance, or by some other factor such as the birth issues. This explains why the genetics in the family doesn't have to make each family member autistic, even though they will most likely have some autistic traits. Well, that's my opinion based on reading I have done.

I don't know about that. I think it's more like people prefer to believe that we have some control over events, and are not at the whim of nature. That it is better to think that we might be able to prevent something, or to have prevented something (even if that makes us feel very unhappy) than that we never had a chance to do anything about it.

I think there's also a natural human tendency to associate events that happen at the same time, so that if a problem becomes apparent we look at events that happened prior to it - "my child was vaccinated, now my child appears autistic, there may be a link." It's not necessarily a "wrong" thing to do, unless and until we look more carefully into any possible link and rule it out with more careful study.

There is simply no empirical evidence to support the hypothesis.

"Children are receiving vaccines. There are more cases of autism. Therefore the vaccines cause autism."

This is the classical (and I use the term in its true sense!) logical fallacy, post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just becuase one thing follows another, it does not mean that it is caused by that other thing.

One of the reasons that we are seeing more cases of autism because we are become better able to recognize autistic characteristics, and we are encouraging parents and educators to identify ASDs. And as we recogize those characteristics, we are better able to identify historical cases which predate vaccination.

As for Thimersol, a person will get a higher dose of mercury from eating a tin of tuna than from a vaccination. With mercury, it doesn't really matter whether its ingested, inhaled or injected, it will make it into your body.

Nah, vaccines are totally unrelated. It's all in the genes here too. My mom has been able to trace it back to my dad's dad. Yes, it all runs on the male side here. Most female descendant only carry the gene, but do not express it. However, when a son is born from such female descendent, I gather there's about 90 % of a probability of Asperger's.

I don't believe.

From my personal experience*, I've concluded that vaccines can cause adverse reactions to some infants, especially those with an ASD, which can cause temperatures and seizures, which in turn leads to an acute worsening of ASD symptoms due to illness/a change of routine (sickness is a routine change).

*It happened to me (as per my mother)

I selected that vaccines can trigger a genetic predisposition...for the following reasons

*My family show a pattern of Aspergers, (so called high functioning)

I beleive in the genetics.

BUT i have also seen children who were appearing to be Aspergers, have a bad reaction to the MMR vaccine and suddenly, overnight, lose language, connection to others, eye contact. I beleive those kids that are genetically higher on the spectrum CAN be "cut off"/"made autistic" if they have a reaction to the vaccination. I beleive in immunizing, however, I would be very wary of imunizing a child where there is autistic type brain genes....and any history of allergies. AND Id be asking for the MMR to be given in seperate doses.

I HAVE SEEN THIS WITH MY OWN EYES MANY MANY TIMES! Children CAN go from verbal and gifted, to unable to connect at all. STRAIGHT after being immunized! The sooner the academics listen to parents who know their children....and stop saying "oh they are making it up.the child was already autistic." We need to immunize, but we need to acknowledge the risks, and not have "one size fits all" for people are different...and some of have more sensitive brains!

Heh, yeah, that'd be the posh version of what I meant. The MMR vaccine even gets a mention on the Wiki page as an example of it. ^^