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27 Aug 2009, 3:51 pm

How about; Mis-empathise: to project thoughts or feelings upon someone that are foreign to their perspective.

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27 Aug 2009, 4:00 pm

NOBS wrote:

How about; Mis-empathise: to project thoughts or feelings upon
someone that are foreign to their perspective.

Which witch is which?
A) Perp projects feelings onto vic which are foreign to vic's perspective;
B) Perp projects feelings onto vic which are foreign to perp's own perspective;
C) Perp randomly alternates between projecting feelings onto vic which are foreign to both perp's and vic's perspective, just to be a ba*turd and keep vic off balance. (My husband does both. Total control freak.)

[PS: The singular "they" is always incorrect and causes confusion. I know, everyone does it.]

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27 Aug 2009, 4:18 pm

Tahitiii wrote:

NOBS wrote:

How about; Mis-empathise: to project thoughts or feelings upon
someone that are foreign to their perspective.

I would say A, however I think everyone is both a "perp" and a "vic". The fact that two individuals perspectives are foreign to one another gives each of them a limited well to draw upon with regard to the others motive. I see this happening in AS/NT realations as well as race relations, not to mention politics and theology.

Duke666 reciently tought me a valuble life lesson in suggesting that NTs argue for status. It was a concept I had never considered, and to my perspective seems a silly motive. That this perspective exists now seems obvious to me if not neccisarily to the person doing it. Sorry if I'm sometimes a little slow on the uptake. I'm slow, not stupid. :lol:

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30 Aug 2009, 7:06 pm

I tried a new technique playing rugby last week. I actively blocked out most sensory information, and pre-planned my actions, instead of trying to make fast decisions based on lots of input. It worked incredibly well. My passing skill doubled instantly.

So now I need a word for it. It's intentionally creating a very controlled sort of 'tunnel vision', so I'm calling it 'Tunnelling In'.

I also found that I could track exactly 2 things in real-time, like the ball plus one player. If I tried 3, I would lose track of other things unpredictably. But I could change which two things I tracked pretty quickly. I'm calling tracking multiple things 'plexing', with my natural state being 'duplexing'. Plex-swapping is changing which things are tracked. "Emulative multi-plexing' is rapid plex-swapping allowing performance similar to tri-plexing or quad-plexing.

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30 Aug 2009, 7:41 pm

Willard wrote:

Tahitiii wrote:

I agree with Rordiway. When talking to NTs, we are speaking at cross purposes more often than not. The concepts we need to express do not exist in their little minds or in their world.

If a concept does not exist in the mind of the person with whom you are conversing, nor within their social constructs, nor anywhere else in their world, you're never going to get the idea across to them comprehensibly in any case, no matter what language you're using.

This entire argument seems moot to me. I can't speak for Chinese, or Russian or any other language, but in English, I believe we have just as many words as we need - making up new ones really doesn't clarify anything. it confuses the issue more - how are other people supposed to know what the hell you're talking about if you use a slanguage they aren't familiar with?

Getting across Aspergian or autistic experiences to anyone not on the spectrum will always be difficult, not because of language, but because you're attempting to convey to them an actual sensory experience they aren't capable of having. It's like any human trying to understand space in more than three dimensions. You end up with cubist paintings that don't truly make sense to anybody. Like the denizens of Flatland, NTs cannot understand the autistic dimensions of UP and DOWN because they simply don't have the same physical apparatus with which to apprehend the experience.

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There are over 1/2 million words in english.
The problem is in the domain of the 'experiential' ; theory of mind is two-way and never can be absolute.

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31 Aug 2009, 11:02 am

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Schadenfreude LITERALLY means "pityjoy". It is a word that describes deriving pleasure from pity for another. Taking the german word was just so much easier. We COULD use the old ENGLISH saying "that's life", but many use the FRENCH "c'est la vie".

The concept is not at all near to "thats life" or "c'est la vie". Shadenfreude is laughing when someone walks into a street light post. Its laughing when someone trips spilling their groceries.. especially on someone else.

"thats life" is much more neutral in concept. It is a little empathy but mostly resignation. c'est la vie is similar. c'est la vie is "I missed the bus and I am late for work. Oh well, thats life. It happens." The associated laugh isnt there.

I think "That's life" is quite indifferent. It doesn't really matter that much.

We have the word schadenfreude in Norwegian. Skadefryd, which literally mean: skade = damage or injury, and fryd= joy. There is no pity in schadenfreude. You take pleasure at someone else's misfortune.

An example: Several years ago we had a PM who said: "If Labour doesn't get 36, 9 % of the votes in this election" - like they had in the last election - "we'll resign." They got 34, 9. I felt schadenfreude. Jagland was arrogant and tried to set an ultimatum, it back fired. Ha, ha!

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31 Aug 2009, 11:26 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:

Language should be used to clarify meaning not conceal it.

But that's just what it'd do. Clarify. It would explain how things are for us, in new words that aren't already in use and will be misunderstood.

I think it's a great idea, although I don't have any suggestions at this point.

If something is decided upon here, a sticky should be made...

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31 Aug 2009, 12:40 pm

Willard wrote:

[This entire argument seems moot to me. I can't speak for Chinese, or Russian or any other language, but in English, I believe we have just as many words as we need - making up new ones really doesn't clarify anything. it confuses the issue more - how are other people supposed to know what the hell you're talking about if you use a slanguage they aren't familiar with?

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Was that a neat trick or a Freudian Slip? Embedded in an argument against coining new words is a new word.

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31 Aug 2009, 2:58 pm

Rordiway wrote:

One thing that I keep hearing about autistics is that they see/feel/process things differently than the neurotypical. If this is true, then we are truly at a disadvantage because our vocabulary is based on the neurotypical perceptions. If we perceive things differenty how can we describe our feelings if there is no known word for what it is we are feeling? This is especially difficult in trying to explain sensory issues.

The word anxiety seems to be a catch all descriptive. However there are various severities of anxiety as well as various catalysts. Some anxiety is considered normal while other anxiety is considered abnormal, but it is all still considered anxiety. Is sensory anxiety different than social anxiety? If it is, how can we explain it to others in a way that they will understand?

I agree. This is especially true for language that involves physical sensations and emotions. I have a few subjective sensations that are on the border between a physical sensation and an emotion and these types of things are nearly impossible for me to describe. I recently discovered the word akathisia. I wasn't priorly aware there was even a word for this phenomena yet I believe I experience a mild version of it that gets brought on by a variety of stimuli and thoughts. It's like this extremely subtle and elusive itch that comes up deep inside my bones and muscles. It's such a vague feeling that it's impossible for me to completely describe it yet the level of discomfort is so great that it makes me cringe just thinking about it. When it's bad enough I get so uncomfortable that whenever I sit I feel like I have to stand and then when I stand I immediately feel like I have to sit back down. It's so weird. Strange things as well can trigger it such as certain thoughts. Yet when I describe the feeling my psychitrists insisted that it was "anxiety" when it clearly is something distinct.

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31 Aug 2009, 8:24 pm

People sometimes start up threads saying "we need a new name for asperger's" or "aspie is offensive" and so on; well the other day my clueless fuddy-duddy grandmother unwittingly came up with a great variation on the word...

She asked me about my "Aspergification"... :lol:

Feel free to use that one!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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31 Aug 2009, 8:35 pm

AJCoyne wrote:

Feel free to use that one!
:lol:

I'd like to venture a definition if you don't mind.

Aspergification: The cultural shift that occurs when the positive aspects of Aspergers syndrome are percieved to outweigh the negative aspects. See: IT sector; Silicon Valley.

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31 Aug 2009, 8:43 pm

NOBS wrote:

AJCoyne wrote:

Feel free to use that one!
:lol:

Haha, yeah, that's a nice way to think about it, although I thought of it more as being a borderline aspie...

like,

"Does John have Asperger's Syndrome then?"
"No, no, he's just a bit Aspergified."
"Well what Aspergificated him?"
"I'm not sure, but a bit of Aspergication never hurt anyone."

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01 Sep 2009, 9:37 am

See "A new word to use in reference to 'Asperger's'"
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106579.html

The other thread should be merged into with this "Autistic Vocabulary" thread.

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01 Sep 2009, 9:49 am

Rordiway wrote:

Perhaps we should create an autistic vocabulary to define the autistic way of perceiving things? I will try the first word; UNFUNCT. Unfunct would be when something is not broken, but still unusable due to some other factor. For example, if someone leaves their belongings on a chair, the chair is not

Try dysfunctional.

Standard English suffices.

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01 Sep 2009, 12:09 pm

I think there needs to be another word for the tense/irritable feeling I get when there's a lot of distracting commotion going on around me. It's not quite the same as normal anxiety because I'm not worried about anything, I just can't relax or get comfortable enough to think. The harder I try to think the worse the feeling gets.

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02 Sep 2009, 12:26 am

marshall wrote:

I think there needs to be another word for the tense/irritable feeling I get when there's a lot of distracting commotion going on around me.

Is this about a sensory integration issue? Could you use words like balance or off-balanced, equilibrium, unsettled? Integration, incorporation, amalgamation?

Or, maybe it would be more useful to describe what you need. Some specific kind of shelter, or a break?

Sometimes I feel like I've "blown a fuse." Whatever is happening is just too much, and the brain goes on strike.

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