Syndrome and/or diversity? How do you reconcile them?
Without AS there can be certain abilities and strengths that allow one to do more than most people in certain areas. With AS there can be an absence of certain abilities and strengths that allow one to do more than most people in certain areas. With AS there are always certain weaknesses or deficits that prevent people from doing what others do without any dedicated effort and often without any volitional effort whatsoever.
The fact is many people with AS do not have any special or significant talent or ability. Having a special talent or significant ability does not mean not disabled or not impaired. Many disabled people do have certain abilities and strengths that allow them to do more than most people in certain areas. Unless you personally interpret disabled to mean “completely devoid of any particular strength or ability that might facilitate exceptional performance in some area” (a definition most disabled people would probably find grossly insulting and demeaning), what exactly do you perceive is the relevance of your comments?
That’s not an unreasonable opinion Derby.
If AS is just a difference, then that is a matter for the social market place to choose whether to include or not. There are all kinds of differences, but only some are granted legal protection.
In many countries, if AS is not a disability, we have no recourse but to accept the negative outcomes of our difference/s, or change, just like any other group whose difference is not a protected trait under local human rights legislation.
I can go with Type A & B.
Going back to the source, Asperger was defining what was not a defect, profound Autism, but only a collection of traits that while perhaps different, did produce results, and he commented that Science and the Arts depended on a bit of autism.
His type cases have been tracked down, most seemed to be just living normal lives.
What Asperger pointed out was a pattern shift, less concern with the social, humans, more focus on the self and things. Type A & B.
There is no monolithic Asperger Type. While he does point out several general traits, he does not consider it a disability. He says that Special Interests will lead to careers.
None of his type cases were instituionalized, they lived at home, went to school, and did develop careers, normal lives.
He does seem to be describing Special Interests, Focus, lack of Social Concern, as good human traits.
Somewhere in the rise of Psychology, a store front religion from the 60's, did it get called a triad of impairments. Their view was they could make money off of it. It did not rise to the level of a disability, qualify for Social Security by it's self. They did find that giving people enough drugs did raise impairment to disability level, and more billable hours.
That view has been rejected by the FDA, DEA, AMA, in that there are no drugs that have a positive effect on any form of autism.
The latest view, which I agree with, is the Markrams, who call it Intense World Syndrome, that people do a few things very well, but trying to do many things causes a shutdown of function.
Some brains are wired to be Specialist, others Generalist. Each have places they excel, neither does well in the other's field.
The Markrams move it into Neurology, and point out the World has a Syndrome, one which many people are unable to keep up with. My Type Case for this ignores the world around them, knows nothing of history, but lives in a sheltered world of knowing the sports scores, and they can talk for hours about one game.
Both groups are suffering from Intense World Syndrome, one moves toward a focused isolation, the other toward a social engagment based on how a game could have been won if the kicker had not been traded last season.
The Specialist choses things, the Generalist human interaction.
From a good of the world view, Specialists might produce something useful to all, alone, writing computer code for hundreds of hours, but Generalists are less likely to reform the world of sports by their observations.
This is not a new problem, in days of old it was Specialists who were chosen at a young age and apprenticed to be slaves of a trade for fourteen years, who then became Masters. This is the path that developed technology.
The Generalists spent their days looking at the back end of a horse, and on weekends, got to town for the Bull and Bear fights, or dogs in the smaller towns, or chickens in the villages. It gave them something to talk about during the week.
Apprentices were forbidden to speak, and they seem to have liked that rule. While they were total slaves, if they ran off their Master could hang them without trial, they were protected from being involved with the common mob.
It is in the best interest of the State to provide for both types, without Generalists we would starve, no one to work,be overrun by enemies, no one to fight, and without Specialists, we would starve, for no new ways would be developed, and overrun by enemies because old ways lose.
Maintaining Type B's who are below minority, downright rare, is a cheap way to keep a vital culture.
Type B's main trait is they are not one type. Some are into mechanics, others experts on a broad field of other subjects. In America half the Patents, the better half, come from self motivated people working from their kitchen or garage. Corporations and Universities get the lesser half.
One person in thousands does prouduce the technology that then employs thousands for the future.
One person in a hundred might produce ten jobs. Companies that employ five or less people produce most of the new jobs. Type B's make places they do fit in. They could become a tour guide for some old city. It does create indirect employment for airlines, bus drivers, places that serve food, supply rooms, the ripple effect.
The question of the social cost of disability is self produced, for every disabled person ten or more of the same can be found who are making it work for them and others. It seems to be a differance of personal circumstance. The wrong type of stress produces a shutdown and rejection, other paths are open.
As I have said from the first, the subject cannot be studied without looking at the better adult outcomes. I would say 90% of the Autistic have never heard of Asperger, and would not consider themselves Autistic, like Rainman. That was me a few years ago.
WP gave me some range, now I am Type B.
I have been thinking about the term "Type B Neurology" as a proposed new name for “Asperger Syndrome.” We might learn from those in the Gay rights movement who have furthered their cause by creating a new label for themselves. It took a long time and, I assume, lots of effort. I don't object to the term “Type B Neurology,” but it would take a huge effort over a long time to get people to understand it or even use it. In the mean time, it could be confusing to those who don't know the term. I wonder if there is a more self- evident term that would still accomplish the same goal.
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I don't know if I missed this somewhere in this thread, but has anyone spoken about the word 'diagnosis' yet?
If a vet says, "Madam, the dog which you have adopted is a cross between a Great Dane and a Scottish Deerhound," he is not making as diagnosis. He is merely describing the dog's genetic identity. When he says, "The medical conditions he has is called hip dysplasia," then that is a diagnosis. The vet may furthermore explain that the phenomenon of hip dysplasia is common in dogs on this spectrum: Deerhounds, Wolfhounds Great Danes and certain other large dogs.
As others in this thread have said too, I sometimes will say that "I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome" because it is convenient to do so in the context of a certain situation. I prefer, however, to say that it was identified that I have an Asperger's neurotype, and that this happened as a result of my having sought medical help for certain problems which, it turned out, were common in people on the same spectrum.
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I couldn't agree more with both of you. I'm not fully satisfied with "Type B Neurology", and would much prefer a "Type [something not rated as A,B,C]" The key word, however, is TYPE. As opposed to disorder, syndrome, etc. The ones at fault are Social Security, because they demand a diagnosis and a disorder/syndrome in order to give you benefits when no one will hire TYPE AS people and you need money each month. I demand to be given benefits as a discriminated minority and not a disordered/sick/syndromed population. I suppose it'll happen in another generation or two and I won't live to enjoy it. Mainly, the problem is with the self-hatred of so many Aspies who have internalized the belief that NTs have that we are "less than" instead of "different from" the majority. This is why when Social Services asked me to define myself as ILL in order to receive help, I refused the help. And some people here told me that was silly, I should've gone with the ILL demand and gotten the help and enjoyed it. What a disservice to do to myself and other Aspies.
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People characterized by Autism do get hired though. People are discriminated against in employment on the basis of everything from gender, to sexual orientation to ethnicity, but none of these are generally construed as legitimate grounds for seeking disability benefits.
If AS is just a difference, then I cannot see why anyone would expect benefits intended for people experiencing disability on basis of that difference.
In MY country, if you belong to a discriminated minority and for that reason you can't find a job, you receive benefits. Don't know about yours.
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It sounds like you want it both ways. You don't want to be classified as disabled yet you want government benefits simply because you are in "a discriminated minority"? In that case, the government owes a lot of people a lot of money.

QFT. People who have great difficulty working don't just have a different type; they have a disability.
My point is that the neurology difference comes first. It may or may not lead to significant disability. Someone may have a Type B Neurology but may not, at any given point in time, meet the diagnostic criteria for an ASD.
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Seems odd you were asked if you were ill then. In my country you can get a benefit if you are over a certain age (18 years) are self supporting (not someone else’s financial dependent), cannot get a job and are actively seeking work.
You can also get a benefit if you are not fit to work due to illness, or disability.
In my country it is illegal to discriminate against people on the grounds that they are some kind of minority, and there are no benefits for people who believe they cannot find a job due to discrimination. They would be told to actively seek work, comply with work seeking directives (such as attending the jobs clinic every day) and would be told if they thought they lost or could not get a job due to discrimination, to take a human rights case. They would not get a special benefit (particularly a disability benefit) by claiming discrimination. Further there is no minority status that could apply to Asperger Syndrome and ASDs other than disability.
It's of note that the film industry always apply a special ability to the people with an ASD they include in their stories.... As much as I like Rain Man and Kazan [from Cube]; the only point where they become equal of importance to the others is when their abilities are revealed and exploited by the other "normal" people.
I don't have any of the positives people talk about in regards to ASDs, except things that everyone can display with equal probability (sure, I have a good memory for facts, but so does my mother who is normal). What about you?