Are you dishonest?

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You're an idiot.

Perhaps, but is Professor Attwood one too? I mean, he describes individuals with AS as being completely honest, and if I so happen to have AS, and I'm completely honest too, wouldn't this conclusion be a valid one, rather than just knowing a whole heap of people who've lied?

As I said, "lying" is a social behaviour, and people with AS lack social behaviour to varying degrees.

Whatever, dude. Clearly you have all answers you need.
And so have I. If I am to take your logic to it's (inaccurate) conclusion then I must not be on the spectrum since I can lie readily and easily.

He is actually leader of the idiots! Their renowned captain.

But...

I am completely honest too, I actually didn't realise there were other options until I met someone who is now my very good friend. He taught me ALOT about being social (actually taught me), and he taught me how to tell 'white lies' and when and why to tell them. I'm not great at it, and apparently it is easy to tell when I am telling a white lie, but I only do it in jest anyways, I would never attempt it in a serious situation as I believe it could lead to trouble.

I know of individuals with AS who can lie, but it's been learnt behaviour to avoid punishment. They then automatically "lie" at everything due to the abuse they experienced growing up, so as to avoid it.

(I also know higher functioning people, those who're borderline, who learnt how to lie for personal gain. It wasn't a natural ability that came to them though.)

Everyone lies. That is not a "learned" behavior. It is human nature.

Appropriate social reciprocation is human nature; understanding and displaying the billion and five nonverbal cues is human nature....

Yet they're lacking in people with AS, which is around 1 in 150/300 people (one in a few thousand if you're strict about it). AS is behaviour outside of what can be traditionally described as "human nature", outliers in behaviour so to speak. Someone with LFA won't lie to you, as they won't interact with you; they didn't develop the usual "human nature". There's various iterations of ASDs (so one person can have this, yet the other won't)....

The statement, everyone lies, is as accurate as the statement, everyone tells the truth, when there's nothing else to it other than an anecdote.

No he isn't.

Basically you lie to provide misinformation. It can be of the white lie type which is done to avoid committing a social faux pas, which depending on the recipient/onlookers can have minor or potentially serious consequences. He who pays the piper calls the tune. The emperor wears no clothes...

On the other hand, providing misinformation may be done to avoid pain, punishment, hardship, or death. Is there a person that is so committed to telling the truth that he is willing to put himself or his group in jeopardy? There is the dilemma taught in moral philosophy classes about the german citizen hiding Jews in the attic. The Nazis show up and ask him if he has any Jews hiding in the house. If he doesn't lie, people die.

Then there is the outright or deceitful lie. This is done purely for egotistical reasons, such as to get away with committing a dishonest act such as stealing, cheating, fraud, murder, etc. Although self-preservation is involved, the one telling the lie is reponsible for his own predicament, and had the choice to avoid it but chose not to.

Then there are evil lies. This is (mass) deception done by individuals or groups in order to gain unfair advantage of a person, groups or entire populations for nefarious purposes. Such lies and deception have been used to fool and enslave masses, despoil environments, commit genocide, steal treasures, institute rogue governments, and all other examples of evil in the world.

Only the third and fourth types of lie are dishonest. Lies of the second type are done by honest people to survive against liers of the third and fourth kind. Lies of the first type keep things running smoothly in the dramatic sense.

It's not my nature, I must not be human then.

I always suspected that I'm an alien, I guess this confirms it!

Not really...I have a problem of blurting out the truth when a lie would be better for all involved; I am also an abysmal liar, especially on the fly. I wish I were more dishonest; life would probably be easier for me.

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To honest for my own good

I can tell appropriate, social, white lies if I'm really concentrating and 'on my game,' but it certainly does not come naturally.

If I'm tired/stressed/distracted, I am apt to say what I'm told is tactless, thoughtless, and very rude things.

As for lying about other things, it generally causes physically unpleasant anxiety...

I think that there is such thing as an honest person. (That's only my opinion, I'm not attacking anyone) Another thing I would say is that just because people have told a small amount of lies under a lot of pressure, does not mean they are not an honest person. It's like saying that (even though this scenario would probably not happen in this country) a mother who steals because it's the only way to feed her children is as much of a thief as an armed bank robber.

I thinkt he "autistics don't lie" thing is stereotypical, and it's often used in a very pathetic way. What was originally meant as not too positive a trait (blunt honesty/being undiplomatic and possibly some autistics'inability to tell "white lies" convincingly) gets twisted into autistics always telling the truth. I can't speak for others but I for one surely lie sometimes. Not often, but I do.