Oxytocin Autism Treatment
No control group. Typical people given oxytocin don't count; you need to give a placebo to the autistics. Also, thirteen people isn't enough. This is not the point at which you alert the newspapers, people!!
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I agree with you, and posted only as a "we discussed this just last month" data point.
Looks like they did have a control group. But I do agree with you on alerting the press and clearly thirteen is not enough people to be representative.
Reminds me of my favorite case - - the news headline read "HOT DOGS LINKED TO BRAIN CANCER". The article went on to detail how a group of researchers had concluded that in families where people fed their children hot dogs over X (a large # - maybe 8? 10?) times per week, the children also had high rates of cancers, including brain cancer.
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Yes, did you know that everyone who has ever died of "old age" has ingested this substance? Perhaps these are not "natural deaths" after all!
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I also had failure to progress in labor with my first and was given pitocin. I did not experience anything like what the previous poster experienced. In fact, it had no mood altering affects to me (then again, when you're in hard labor, you aren't exactly noticing this crap).
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In both pregnancies I didnt have so much as braxton-hicks contractions, both were two weeks late and had to be taken c-section because my body wasnt releasing pitocin; they gave me a pitocin drip the first time but after 30 hrs of labor performed the c-section. I also had problems lactating I never leaked like other women I had to nurse constantly just to feed properly.
this is a quote that put a very different spin on this experiment that the likely NT scientists may not have considered or may not care if they did.
"Good grief! Look at the "improvement" brought about by that nasal
spray (from Michelle D's blog):
---begin quote
The widespread message arising from Andari et al. (in press) is that
the hormone oxytocin "may be a powerful weapon in fighting autism" or
words to that effect.
The heart of this study is a computer game version of catch which
appears to involve four human players. When a player is thrown the
ball, he must then throw it to another player of his choice. Every
time a player receives the ball, he receives a bit of money.
In Andari et al. (in press), small groups of autistic and nonautistic
adults ("P") individually play this game with three strangers ("A" "B"
"C"). Much is done to persuade the autistic and nonautistic
participants that the strangers, who in fact are elaborately
programmed, are actual, present, proximate (in adjacent booths),
decision-making human beings.
The three strangers start by equally distributing the ball to the
other players. Then the elaborate program kicks in: A and C
increasingly favour one player (P and B, respectively) while shunning
the others. B's behaviour does not change.
In a prototypical display of us-vs-them thinking, the nonautistic Ps
responded by ganging up with A to reap the social and monetary gains
of a close alliance founded on the exclusion of half the players.
The autistic participants in contrast displayed no such selfish and
discriminatory behaviour. They continued to throw the ball to the
other players in equal proportion, ignoring their self-interest in
favour of keeping all players equally included.
Further, autistics' subjective ratings of the other players revealed
that the autistic Ps did not have the kinds of biases that are
routinely called hypocrisy. They did not judge C, who shared the most
with B, as worse or less trustworthy than A, who shared the most with
themselves.
According to Andari et al. (in press), autistics "cannot understand or
engage in social situations," as evidenced by autistics' outstandingly
altruistic performance in this game. It is this profound social
deficit, this altruistic autistic behaviour, that was targeted for
treatment.
And indeed, the treatment was successful. Autistics randomly
administered a nasal mist containing oxytocin, rather than a saline
placebo, significantly improved. They became willing to work with one
of the players in an effort to shun and discriminate against the other
two, and thereby get more than their fair share of money and
attention. They became willing to see the player who shared with them
as good and trustworthy, and the player who shared with someone else
as bad and untrustworthy. They learned and displayed selfishness and
hypocrisy and us-vs-them thinking. Their objectivity, fairness, and
altruism were--temporarily- -cured.
Then this finding was replicated in a second small group of autistic
adults who performed the same task but without monetary rewards.
Success! Cue the avalanche of blogging and media stories. Uta Frith
says, "This could be revolutionary. "
----end quote
Blog:
http://autismcrisis/blogspot.com/2010/ 02/oxytocin- versus-autism- cure-for.
html
I maybe shouldn't even chime in on this since I have no actual data to which I can refer, but I remember it being mentioned in a class that there is a theory that autism is caused by a lack of (normal levels of) oxytocin during fetal development.
Oxytocin is known as the bonding hormone, and as other posters mentioned, it's secreted when a nursing mom's milk lets down. I remember reading that before I had my first baby and then noticing that every time my own milk let down, I felt that hormonal rush but instead of feeling all "lovey-dovey" and bonding it made me want to sob. It was the strangest thing ever. Every single time, without fail, I wanted to cry my head off when I nursed my babies.
I wonder how this hormone would affect men? I do know women have much, much more of it, and that men have it in its highest levels right after orgasm, but even then it's a way lower concentration than what women have floating around in their bloodstream all of the time. (As another interesting aside, some have also speculated that this is also why so many more men are addicted to porn than women....the oxytocin actually "bonds" them to the visual material, rather than a real person.)
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The first time I fell in love with someone and was actually able to orgasm and all that stuff..it set me off on a cry-fest that lasted over a month,,,,where I could not stop crying....of course that was a catalyst for the guy dumping me.....surely...he would have anyway....as I was a weirdo and his friends hated me...but it took place just a few months after I had ended a relationship I had been in for 6 years where there was very little romantic chemistry....
but I wonder if all the crying was set off by the oxytocin...
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I've always been a fan of drugs of the non-self destructive varieties, pot being my medication of choice if available.
As for treating autism... isn't that kinda like treating dyslexia, or left-handedness?
It's not as simple as a malfunctioning receptor, it's a fundamental difference in the way the brain wiring proceeded during development.
I'm not broken, just a less common options package, manual, cloth seats, sunroof, no AC, good stereo.
If the individual is aware of the risks, and willing to try it, that's up to them... but it doesn't sound like it would be beneficial to pump ASD kids full of it like they do with anything resembling ADD and adderal... though I do like studying on adderal.
Ive poked around at information about the drug/hormone myself. Saw on a different forum where a couple parents chimed in on an OT thread about it and one noticed drastic improvements while the other noticed minimium improvements. Apparently in the prescription scrength nasil spray it is being prescribed by some doctors for autism but finding an actual doctor that wants to help and understand/understands Autism instead of selling Prozac is a feat in itself it seems... especially if your on a min wage income and Medicare like me.
Just spent the last month trying to get ahold of LDN so prescription strength Oxytocin might be a bit of a ways off for me. On the other hand I did find 5IU troches that you can buy OTC and of coarse the Liquid Trust that is supposed to make everyone fall in love with you. Figured Id go ahead and give them both a try and see if/how they effect me.
Well, that clinches it--I'm never trying it. If it has even the slightest chance of causing me to lose my altruism, I'll die first. Literally.
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Okay clearly I am not a pharmacist.
no, like a natural mammalian hormone and neurotransmitter, that used most often to induce or accelerate labor, and stimulate lactation during breast feeding.
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I also had failure to progress in labor with my first and was given pitocin. I did not experience anything like what the previous poster experienced. In fact, it had no mood altering affects to me (then again, when you're in hard labor, you aren't exactly noticing this crap).
However, the effect of naturally occurring oxytocin when I was breastfeeding an infant? That was a very lovely feeling I will always miss - all tied in with having a new baby. If biology didn't pay women off for nursing an infant, none of us would do it because it's tremendously difficult and at first none of it feels natural. You sit with the baby, and feel so happy and content warm feeling. It is just a calming feeling. Oxytocin is tied to bonding, and it's released with orgasm (more with a partner-involved orgasm than masturbation too, I read).
My guess is the effects from something like this properly administered in a very low dose would be subtle. In naturally occurring amounts this is not a mind-blowing-mood-altering experience, like a pain pill would be.
(edited to correct idiotic misspellings).
Pitcoin is sometimes (rarely) used as a treatment for fibromyalgia/CFS. For a few months I was on 2-4 units a day by subcutaneous injection. Didn't feel much of anything. If anything it felt like 10% of how I feel when I pet my cat. (And maybe 0.1% of how it felt to deeply bond with the one person I ever did.)
One thing I never see in these articles is that oxytocin poorly passes through the blood brain barrier. And I have never seen mention of some special mechanism whereby some other substance is mediating the effects. It's always talked about as if it exogenous Pitocin acts identically to the brain making oxytocin internally. My undertsanding is that they get around it by giving huge doses, which means autistic women will be exempt, because anyone with a uterus would be in agony with that much Pitocin on board.
I really like Dawson's take of that study.
It is known to have a toxic threshold, and is most dangerous in it's pure form (distilled). If you ingest too much you get "water poisoning," which can cause seizures, coma, brain damage, and death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
I know this is going to be very off topic, but does this imply that there is a way not to die, or at least to double your lifetime, if all of the current deaths are not the natural ones?
So when you said everyone who died had injested it, are you saying that this substance is in the food or something like that? If so, can that substance be avoided by avoiding buying food at certain places, or some types of food?
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