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19 Mar 2006, 4:03 pm

IIRC, Weyoun is the name of a Vorta from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He was one of the best Trek villains ever. To have this person name himself after him is an insult.



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19 Mar 2006, 5:45 pm

Right_Honourable_Weyoun wrote:
It is remarkable how unoriginal you all are being in response to me. Comparing me and my ideas to the Nazis? Come on, that has been a standby for arguments on the Internet (and Usenet before that) since the late 80s, early 90s. Look up Godwin's Law if you don't believe me.

As for not doing research, you have done even less, as is obvious from your responses.

Yeah, it is but hey, comparing you to a nazi is so incredibly EASY!! !

Really though, there are well known Aspies in society, like there is Vernon Smith a famous economist and winner of a Nobel Prize in economics, there is Dan Akroyd a well known actor, there is Gary Numan, a musician, there is Craig Nicholls, another musician, there is also Bram Cohen, a well known programmer, Steven Spielberg, a well known director of films, Rafer Alston, a basketball player, and there are many other people that are suspected of Aspergers or that have high functioning Autism. Now, to say that aspies are destined to be inferior and should sterilize themselves is an overreaction, aspies have the potential to succeed in life and should be given the rights of any other human being. Certainly there are always stories of failure and things like that, however, this does not overshadow the potential that many aspies have and I don't think that the folly you recommend is warranted. However, I am interested in your research, I like to learn.



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19 Mar 2006, 6:16 pm

Well, I have AS and I'm black.

So with all these "inferior" genes, I guess I don't deserve to reproduce. If I don't have kids, the crime rate will go down and the gene pool won't get infected with my awful autism traits. Oh! And best of all, no more gangsta rap! 8O

You know what? Let me just do this world a huge favor.......and go kill myself right now.
*Gets rope to hang herself from the nearest tree*


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19 Mar 2006, 7:11 pm

Right_Honourable_Weyoun wrote:
It is remarkable how unoriginal you all are being in response to me. Comparing me and my ideas to the Nazis? Come on, that has been a standby for arguments on the Internet (and Usenet before that) since the late 80s, early 90s. Look up Godwin's Law if you don't believe me.

As for not doing research, you have done even less, as is obvious from your responses.
Well, hitler did have people he considered to be "life unworthy of life"(like the deaf) sterilised, and or euthanised. not only were there, and are there autistic figures who've accomplished much for themselves and others, there are Touretters who also have also accheived success in the world. People like,Dr Samuel Johnson, Andre Malraux, Howard Ahmanson, Jr,Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Jim Eisenreich, Tim Howard, Jeremy Stenberg,Tobias Picker, Nick Tatham, and Michael Wolfe. Mozart, may have had T.S., and in addition to Asperger's, Dan Akyroyd may have T.S. so I feel that there is no need for us non-neuro-typical indivisuals to be sterilising ourselves.



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19 Mar 2006, 7:20 pm

These people you mention, while they may have contributed great things to Human civilisation, are still outliers. In addition, most of them are only speculated to have ASD's. Anyways, it is an absurd argument to say that just because these people are not born, that what they invent would never be invented by anyone else. The suffering that autism inflicts on Humanity is NOT worth these people's contributions to the world.



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19 Mar 2006, 7:27 pm

If one of these 'little bastards' cures cancer, and you have it, and you are dying, with a few days left, you would not have wanted him to make that contribution to society to save your own life?

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19 Mar 2006, 7:50 pm

Right_Honourable_Weyoun wrote:
Let us not delude ourselves: Autism and it many derivatives is a disease, an epidemic which we inflict on our future generations by not stamping it out. It causes its sufferers to lack that certain Natural Domination which humans, by right, have over their environments and nature. In fact, it renders them, to some degree, incapable of distinguishing between themselves and their surroundings.
I am not saying we should cure autism (I know the connotation you place on that concept) for it is impossible. Rather, we should prevent its spread to our children and their children. Those who have it should refrain from having children, and in fact sterilize themselves. It is the only moral thing to do.
Please do not accuse me of genocide, for that is not what I advocate.


I'd prefer we just go ahead and kill ourselves.

You first, a**hole.


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19 Mar 2006, 8:35 pm

Right_Honourable_Weyoun wrote:
These people you mention, while they may have contributed great things to Human civilisation, are still outliers. In addition, most of them are only speculated to have ASD's. Anyways, it is an absurd argument to say that just because these people are not born, that what they invent would never be invented by anyone else. The suffering that autism inflicts on Humanity is NOT worth these people's contributions to the world.


What suffering does Autism inflict upon the humanity, exactly? Please, I'm curious, out line the sufferings in detail for me...

And on your argue that the inventions would've been invented without the inventors is not entirely accurate...sure some of them may have been in invented but 9 times out of 10 most of those inventions needed a leap of some sort...it's the kind a group of like minded people could never acheive. "In a world where everyone thinks the same, no one thinks very much."

Would you breed out people with High IQ? They are very different from the rest of the world's population, alot of them are Autistic. It's all but proven Einstein was Autistic.

People who are intolerant of others really don't deserve others' tolerance..But then that'd make me a hypocrit, which is why I tolerate you ludicrous arguments, and your insult to Star Trek.



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19 Mar 2006, 8:53 pm

It amazes me how a few out there can avow that there is so much more suffering in the world because of autism or flip side, that the progress of humanity could be so much farther behind today if it weren't for its existence.

There is not even yet reliable statistical data on us, so why think you can know what our impact is on humankind in this stage of the game?

Nirrti rachelle, I hope your post was facetious. We need you.



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19 Mar 2006, 9:08 pm

Right_Honourable_Weyoun wrote:
.The suffering that autism inflicts on Humanity is NOT worth these people's contributions to the world.


What suffering? I have autism; I've been married to the same NT man for the past twenty years, I have an AS daughter, I have a good job that I do well at, I pay my taxes regularly and have never had so much as a traffic ticket, even though I've been driving for the past thirty years. I own my own home, fully paid off mortgage and have substantial savings in the bank. So now you'll probably say I should go kill myself because I'm boring, I suppose!
I doubt very much that wars are ever caused by people with autism, and to me that seems one of the more nasty afflictions Humanity has enacted on itself over the centuries. Although I admit that the atomic bomb was only achieved because Autie geniuses worked on it, but let's face it, we didn't drop the bastard, did we? That was politics (which we DON'T do.)
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19 Mar 2006, 9:14 pm

Oh, and BTW, RHW, my daughter says you appear to have a lot of unresolved tension and aggression in your posts. She suggests either get laid or else you try a porn site.
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19 Mar 2006, 9:31 pm

Right_Honourable_Weyoun wrote:
These people you mention, while they may have contributed great things to Human civilisation, are still outliers. In addition, most of them are only speculated to have ASD's. Anyways, it is an absurd argument to say that just because these people are not born, that what they invent would never be invented by anyone else. The suffering that autism inflicts on Humanity is NOT worth these people's contributions to the world.

All people who do great things are outliers, also most of them are admittedly Aspies, I did not include the people who were only diagnosed speculatively like Einstein or Newton as we have no way of proving whether or not they have Aspergers. I only picked the people who admitted to being aspies, we even have people at this site who are not officially diagnosed.

What is the suffering caused by Asperger's? Can you give me numbers on that? Most people are killed by NTs, I don't think Aspies were the ones that destroyed the twin towers, I don't think aspies were the ones that drove the holocaust to its fatal fruition, I tend to highly doubt that most of the muggings and the crimes in the world are due to autism at all. The one most harmed by the condition of Autism is the person who has it and yet I do not think that they are incapable of living and of happiness and I truly believe that they can be good contributors to society. Give me the data and perhaps I will agree but all you have given me so far is only rhetoric and the burden of proof lies on your shoulders because you are the one telling me how to live my life.



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19 Mar 2006, 9:36 pm

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Oh, and BTW, RHW, my daughter says you appear to have a lot of unresolved tension and aggression in your posts. She suggests either get laid or else you try a porn site.
AliVe

That is sort of interesting, I think his problem may be that he hasn't come to terms with himself. His profile says that he is diagnosed. I think we saw the same thing with that other person whose name escapes me. Sometimes Aspies have difficulty accepting themselves because of how life treats them and the struggles it gives them. That is why I think we need to show ourselves as positive examples. At one point we all feel inferior for one reason or another and Aspergers is a convenient scapegoat partially because it is part of the equation, however, each individual must come to terms with themselves and their nature. Aspergers isn't a curse and it isn't a blessing, it just is.



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19 Mar 2006, 9:47 pm

this thread should be deleted. It is through the ignorance of people like this that i find myself disgusted with NT's



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19 Mar 2006, 9:53 pm

Is Weyoun a nonautistic? I had assumed he was on the spectrum and bitter about his own life, hence his broad generalizations...

Autism does cause some suffering. It also causes joy. But then again, so does everything else in the world.


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19 Mar 2006, 9:55 pm

I just don't see how he could think his post was a good idea, its like walking into a gay bar and saying you homophobic... bad move