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eamonn
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30 Mar 2006, 5:37 am

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Why has nobody pointed out yet that research has been done on rage catharsis and actually bottling your anger up relieved anger better than venting it does??????

Not all emotions should be bottled up but actually acting angry makes you more, not less, angry, than if your gritted your teeth and just sat with it.

Plus, you "train" yourself to be angry when you act it out.


I disagree, that tactic didnt appear to work for WillFruend. It didnt work for me either (although to this date i havent went on a murder/suicide rampage. Sometimnes it is right and healthy to be angry and even act out on it, at appropiate times and places like on a punchbag or to a troublemaker. I think that we should try and keep a check on our emotions when in public and try to deal with them, which is different from bottling it up for years.



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30 Mar 2006, 6:03 am

It is hard to know what to do with all the energy that builds up from rages. I used to get into terrible fights at school.
What works for me is finding a physical way to get rid of the anger. My Mum says my anger is quick. She calls it "flashpoint", heh. But I actually feel it long before I show it.
Walking my anger doesn't always work, unfortunately, as I once walked 80kms. :roll: I sometimes wonder if I could have gone further.



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30 Mar 2006, 7:35 am

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psych....So if someone either damaged either you own property or kicked your head in you would rather shake there hand as opposed to getting justice?


If someone is violent and dangerous then they need to be taken care of, IDEALLY in a pragmatic and detached way.
There is no 'justice' in nature, if you mean justice in the legal sense then sure, go for it.

eg. Uniting a troubled community to drive the 'neds' out of a troubled estate is a job well done (tried and tested too by the IWCA & afaik without a hint of violence). All the broken bones and smashed windows in the world IMO will not bring anyone happiness.


What if the police can't do anything, no one in charge can do anything and no one is willing to help? suck your lemons? Noooooo chance.


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30 Mar 2006, 8:38 am

When i was young i used to go nuts all the time.
Beat people up and bite them :P
But now that i'm 21 years old i hardly ever get really angry anymore.

When not sleeping enough i'm short tempered like everyone else tho 8)



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30 Mar 2006, 11:25 am

OTTILY wrote:
psych wrote:
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psych....So if someone either damaged either you own property or kicked your head in you would rather shake there hand as opposed to getting justice?


If someone is violent and dangerous then they need to be taken care of, IDEALLY in a pragmatic and detached way.
There is no 'justice' in nature, if you mean justice in the legal sense then sure, go for it.

eg. Uniting a troubled community to drive the 'neds' out of a troubled estate is a job well done (tried and tested too by the IWCA & afaik without a hint of violence). All the broken bones and smashed windows in the world IMO will not bring anyone happiness.


What if the police can't do anything, no one in charge can do anything and no one is willing to help? suck your lemons? Noooooo chance.

Amen.



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30 Mar 2006, 12:45 pm

OTTILY wrote:
psych wrote:
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psych....So if someone either damaged either you own property or kicked your head in you would rather shake there hand as opposed to getting justice?


If someone is violent and dangerous then they need to be taken care of, IDEALLY in a pragmatic and detached way.
There is no 'justice' in nature, if you mean justice in the legal sense then sure, go for it.

eg. Uniting a troubled community to drive the 'neds' out of a troubled estate is a job well done (tried and tested too by the IWCA & afaik without a hint of violence). All the broken bones and smashed windows in the world IMO will not bring anyone happiness.


What if the police can't do anything, no one in charge can do anything and no one is willing to help? suck your lemons? Noooooo chance.


Sort it out. dont sort it out. Its up to you.

'sucking lemons' = feeling pissed off? Thats exactly what im against.

If your able and willing to 'get even' in order to protect your street-rep or safety, then do so*.

BUT if you cant or wont surely your better off forgiving and moving on than carrying about a lot of frustrated 'if i top myself, im taking those f**kers down with me' sentiment - Because with nowhere to go, that rage could easily find itself displaced and being vented inappropriately in other areas, towards unrelated people.

*and again, id question the use of rage as a good way to achieve this. Violence, whether its being dished out or recieved is imo best dealt with in a detached and relatively emotionless way. Less chance of a lasting trauma or other psychological repercussions - the memory of having turned into a rabid chimp isnt something you want lingering in your head in normal day to day life.



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30 Mar 2006, 12:55 pm

psych wrote:
OTTILY wrote:
psych wrote:
AlexUK wrote:
psych....So if someone either damaged either you own property or kicked your head in you would rather shake there hand as opposed to getting justice?


If someone is violent and dangerous then they need to be taken care of, IDEALLY in a pragmatic and detached way.
There is no 'justice' in nature, if you mean justice in the legal sense then sure, go for it.

eg. Uniting a troubled community to drive the 'neds' out of a troubled estate is a job well done (tried and tested too by the IWCA & afaik without a hint of violence). All the broken bones and smashed windows in the world IMO will not bring anyone happiness.


What if the police can't do anything, no one in charge can do anything and no one is willing to help? suck your lemons? Noooooo chance.


Sort it out. dont sort it out. Its up to you.

'sucking lemons' = feeling pissed off? Thats exactly what im against.

If your able and willing to 'get even' in order to protect your street-rep or safety, then do so*.

BUT if you cant or wont surely your better off forgiving and moving on than carrying about a lot of frustrated 'if i top myself, im taking those f**kers down with me' sentiment - Because with nowhere to go, that rage could easily find itself displaced and being vented inappropriately in other areas, towards unrelated people.

*and again, id question the use of rage as a good way to achieve this. Violence, whether its being dished out or recieved is imo best dealt with in a detached and relatively emotionless way. Less chance of a lasting trauma or other psychological repercussions - the memory of having turned into a rabid chimp isnt something you want lingering in your head in normal day to day life.



lol sorry I'm bored so I'll post again.
I can't see anywhere in that quote 'if i top myself, im taking those f**kers down with me' sentiment ?? and also who says you have to use violence to get revenge?


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30 Mar 2006, 1:15 pm

Ottily, i think, psych was reffering to me. Im not walking about like a rabid chimp with that sentiment, psych, simply stating a fact (at this present time, maybe some point in the future il be able to forgive, who knows), man. Being passive and forgiving and forgetting can and does exxacerbate a situation if your dealing with street scum who are the real rabid animals.



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31 Mar 2006, 5:12 pm

OTTILY wrote:
lol sorry I'm bored so I'll post again.
I can't see anywhere in that quote 'if i top myself, im taking those f**kers down with me' sentiment ?? and also who says you have to use violence to get revenge?


sorry - sloppy editing. either that or your all starting to blend into one homogenous mass.

physical violence isnt exclusive to revenge, but i think its very closely linked to pure 'rage'.



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31 Mar 2006, 5:22 pm

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Ottily, i think, psych was reffering to me. Im not walking about like a rabid chimp with that sentiment, psych, simply stating a fact (at this present time, maybe some point in the future il be able to forgive, who knows), man. Being passive and forgiving and forgetting can and does exxacerbate a situation if your dealing with street scum who are the real rabid animals.


Im not saying you are like a rabid chimp now, its my way of describing what it might feel like if (hypothetically) someone snaps, goes nuts and assaults someone physically - i think that would mentally scar most people.

If theres an ongoing situation then like ive said sometimes its best sorted out, especially in hostile social environments (prison/hostels/sink-estates etc). If the situations finished, and theres no likelihood of future repercussions then thats when forgiveness can be the best way forward.



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30 Apr 2006, 3:34 pm

I have a stress ball and a worry stone and they can sometimes help me calm down.... otherwise those in the same room better watch out!! !


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30 Apr 2006, 5:04 pm

I rarely get angry, but when I do it's a full-blown rage.


I find that in that situation, the best thing to do is just go to my room (or somewhere else where I am alone) until it is over.
The absolute worst thing is being told "calm down". For some reason, this sharply magnifies it.


It isn't intentional, but I really don't think this is healthy. I should probably buy a punching bag or something so that I can vent a bit more easily, rather than having it subconciously build up like this.



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30 Apr 2006, 10:51 pm

In regards to myself, I think there is a difference between anger and rage. If I just get angry, I may just become snippy and tell someone off in a very blunt manner. The problem is, though with me, it just builds up, and I can't stop dwelling on it. I'm full of tension almost every single day, not knowing how to express it, and I tend to get in arguments extremely easily with other people. It's more or less why I consider myself to crave stimulation, since I am unable to ward off anxiety. I consider my life to be ruled by urges, and I need to concentrate on something to keep myself at ease.

Rage, though, is much different for me. A rage and a meltdown are of the same thing, as far as I'm concerned. The tension just mounts until I hit a breaking point, and then I just dramatically explode in a completely bizarre and irrational way, sometimes violently. Stimming increases to dramatic heights, and I sometimes go into a more of a trance-like state. I may intentionally shut others out to keep myself calm. It usually results from intense and persistent frustration, and it could take me a couple of days to get myself together. The actual rage itself may last for just a few minutes, but the after effects could last for hours. If people would just leave me alone, then I would not have to worry about any of this.

I think with me it's neurological, and I may have touches of frontal-lobe epilepsy, or so that's what an EEG once said when I was younger. It showed seizure activity, but epilepsy was not even mentioned. I only found out later that frontal-lobe epilepsy has traits similar to what I sometimes experience, though I heard it's hardly diagnosed if an episode doesn't occur while the EEG is on progress, and I know no episodes occurred at the time.

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