jc6chan wrote:
At the time, I was confused and thought to myself, "Why are we respecting these soldiers? These soldiers kill people and I was always taught that killing people is bad and that we shouldn't even hurt anyone." This was the problem I had. I was taught these rules of "Don't kill people" and so I thought that these soldiers were bad people and they were all criminals.
Don't blame the soldiers for that. Blame the brass and the politicians and royalty or whatever else got them into that war in the first place. You are referencing WW1 with th poppy thing correct? Applies ESPECIALLY to WWI. Give the international bankers' role in funding and prolonging the war. And arms industries, erc
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Of course, now I undoterstand more of why these soldiers are respected as they fought for what they (or the country at least) believed was right. But I still have trouble with this whole concept of placing special honour for these soldiers.
What the
ruling class of said country considers 'right'. Not to mention 'what is a country' - e.g. French Quebecois fighting for the English forces in WWI - even if France was an ally of the UK then. Also see black USA soldiers.
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The current war in Afghanistan:
I can see that Canadian (and other NATO) soldiers have good intentions and they are actually helping to establish what is believed to be a "stable democracy" for Afghanistan. They are conducting to reconstruction efforts. However, I still question if the best course of action was to actually destroy the Taliban regime. I don't understand what gives us (NATO countries) the right to just destroy the pre-9/11 government in Afghanistan. Another thing I don't like is how, in my opinion, we are actually demonizing the Taliban by forcing them to use suicide bombing tactics. If we didn't destroy their government, there would not be so much suicide attacks. I'm sure that if someone were to attempt to destroy a weak Western democracy, some people would resolve to terrorism to defend democracy.
foreign policy of great powers [USA] to access central asian oil and bypass russian controlled pipes.
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WW1:
Now, why do we even treat the soldiers of ww1 to the same level as those who fight in Afghanistan? People say these soldiers "fought for their country" and I understand that these soldiers needed some degree of bravery.
They were brave. They had to in order to get slaughtered in such numbers by ignorant and backwards-ass generals who didn't factor in what machine guns do to charging soldiers and other new-fangled technology. The common soldiers did the fighting and dying and the generals did their pomp-and-circumstance BS. No wonder the Russian empire fell apart and Germany and France had revolutions and mutinies.
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But I ask this question: In what way did Canadian soldiers actually do something good to the world? Did they help civilians in Europe better their lives? Well, maybe they did help wounded civilians as a result of stray bullets, I don't know, but overall, I don't see what good they did. They contributed to the bullets flying back and forth across no-man's land, thats all I know. And so why do we treat soldiers of the past like those we treat today?
Propaganda. Nationalism. And damn ignorance. Also whitewashing. Oh, and they died in a lot higher numbers so people want to cover it or BS that they died for a worthy cause.....instead of admitting they wasted a lot of peoples' lives needlessly and heaped the blame on the surviving central power.
EDIT: in occupied parts of France the Germans basically conscripted people for labor and did jack all the peoples' s**t.....basically draftin and lootin...so arguably that's a "good thing". But German treatment of occupied lowland countries in WWI did not be an exceptionally 'bad' thing - even with the incidents that took place
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I don't know, I guess I would describe myself as close to a pacifist. I do believe that sometimes action needs to be taken like the brutal regime of Adolf Hitler. but honestly, how many wars are really about liberating people from an evil regime?
Not a lot......a lot of wars are about colonialism and imperialism and opening markets to foreign powers.....hey they're doing that TODAY. They did that 200 years ago and simply changed the BS reason.
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