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14 Apr 2010, 2:35 pm

I get blamed pretty much all the time even though i try to be helpful it counts for nothing.



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14 Apr 2010, 6:18 pm

I can totally relate to everything shared thus far in this topic....I'm new to the forums and I firmly believe myself to have Aspergers, though I haven't received a formal diagnosis. Going back to the main topic, though, I was laid off from my first real job a couple weeks ago and I wouldn't doubt that my symptoms had something to do with it. On several occasions I was reprimanded for screwing up on a particular assignment or failing to record a document in our computer system. On most occasions, however, the problem revolved around one particular secretary who worked there. She was very lazy and goofed off a lot, but she got along well with several of the people who worked there. It took a bit for me to pick up on it, but I realized she was using me as her scapegoat, so whenever she screwed up one of her work assignments, she'd try as hard as possible to blame it on me.

I realize I made an easy target....I didn't have a strong repore with many of the people there, and even those I get along with I didn't relate to as well as I'd like, since the bottom line is, I just don't understand other people, specifically NTs. I'm basically clueless as to the "right" way to get along with others...sure, I can go through the motions, such as greeting someone, asking how they are, how they're doing, etc. but it always comes across as forced and awkward. This leads to a very forced relationship with most people, and in this position my work required me to associate with everyone else and assist with their projects. Whenever I was assigned something to do, I would complete it to the best of my abilities but several times I misinterpreted their instructions, though no one seemed willing to tell me how I did this. I wonder if that attitude was directed at me more for my lack of proper social skills than for my actual work performance. Of course, that's not a question they would ever answer, and I'm not intuitive enough to figure out whether that's the case.

Anyway, this particular assistant was also laid off at the beginning of the year so things got much better. I was never spoken to about my work performance again until the day I was let go, and their office manual REQUIRES at least one verbal warning and two written warnings before they terminate someone's employment, so obviously they didn't even follow their own protocol. Because of all this, I'm convinced that I was let go because I didn't "click" with others as well as they'd like which, to me, is a poor reason for letting someone go from a job.

This position is the main instance in which I can point out these things happening, but throughout my life I can recall similar circumstances here and there, where I was singled out and could never figure out why. It really disappoints me that people can be so shallow and superficial, since I'm always polite, I always showed up on time, never complained when I was given an assignment, etc, but I guess that's just how the real world works.



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15 Apr 2010, 3:31 am

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Not a lot, but sometimes I'm watched in stores, presumably because I don't dress like I have money. One thing that still upsets me is this. Long story short-I walked a block over to pick up my son while he was playing at a friend's house. I knocked on the door and was let in. There was a dog there that attacked me while I was still in the entryway. A very territorial Chow/Akita mix they were dog -sitting for the mom's mother. I spent 8 hours in the ER because the dog tore a chunk of meat out of my thigh. I didn't sue because they were a single income family with no renter's insurance and it would have devastated them. The mom knew the dog had a history but she was distracted; it was just a human error as far as I was concerned. I spent $600. out of pocket before my then insurance kicked in. The dad said it happened because I wasn't part of the dog's "tribe". Years later I found out from several different sources that the mom was telling people it happened because I walked in the house without knocking. :evil:


if that was me and less than two years had passed (limitations period) I would have turned around and sued them....I wouldn't give a rip if they were all unemployed or on a quarter income .If some NTs stabbed me in the back like that and I had the money and means to do so, I'd sic my lawyers on em and put em out on the street with no regrets.
Failing that, if the limitations period had passed, their dog would have mysteriously disappeared.


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Poopylungstuffing, your story about the stuffed iguana toy rang all to true with me, as well. It reminded me of still another incident where I had just moved into a new intentional community. A strange woman showed up about a month after I had moved in, and seemed to be accusing me of entertaining someone's boyfriend. She acted as though I ought to let her in, to search my house, on the spot. Although I assured her that I didn't know her, or this guy she sought, she seemed hostile and suspicious. Worse, for months after that, other neighbors whom I had not even met, would give me dirty looks and act in an unfriendly fashion. I strongly suspected that she was going about and saying things about me that were untrue. I was at a complete loss as to what I could possibly have done to earn this treatment. A good friend assured me that if I simply continued being myself, that she would eventually look like a fool. The outrage and hurt from her trouble making still haunts me today. It frightened me, that an NT could make so much trouble for me in a new neighborhood, just by lying and being instantly believed by the other neighbors. I was so glad when she finally moved away.


stuff like this is why I have such an aversion towards borderlines. This is typical borderline vs. aspie shenanigans, it has happened to me so much in my life. Borderlines/sociopaths know that people will identify with a victim because of their own experiences of victimization, and that the easiest person to scapegoat is one who has no social bonds. We don't have alot of social bonds...alot of aspies want them and some of us don't, I tend not to except for desiring a romantic partner, so alot of times we are targets for borderline behavior. I have noticed that NT may not all be personality disordered but they make very very good minions for sociopathic behavior like this. And we have such trouble comprehending the behavior because we can't understand deceit to this degree, the motives are unfathomable. If so many of us have trouble with this stuff it makes me wonder if anyone has ever addressed it in any of the AS books.


ohh.....Borderliners......My Business partner's girlfriend...is one...she told him I threw a frying pan at her just because I was uncomfortable right after mouth surgery, and my partner had delagated her to make me some soup, and she i'd heard her complaining about it and I got up in my post-op haze and she was doing it wrong, so I took over and made the soup myself, I was recovering from sedation and I was cranky and clumsy, but i did not throw anything at her...it scares me to think of the things she must tell others....that is why I am leery of her friends, and possibly why they are leery of me...she must have made me out to be some kind of monster...
....I realize more and more the deep conflicts that may potentially arise from being a person with AS characteristics having to be in close quarters with Borderliners...my business partner is also more of an ASish type...and she as a BPDish lassy tends to blame and blame and blame him for everything....and it has me on eggshells...anything I say or do may be subject to misinterpretation.....and I take all the ways in which she yells at him and places all this blame on him personally....
Right now we are on bad terms because I snapped after listening too long to her yelling at him (she's having a baby, and it has turned her into a monster).... :evil:
So I went off and said some awful stuff to her that I should not have said...
And then later she verbally confronted me in a way that I am not good at not defending myself from...and I said some things that made her even madder.....But it was on the basis of crossed wires...and our very different ways of thinking....I am going off on a tangent that I should probably take to the haven or something....I would have a while ago, but I have been distracted and busy and swamped with office work...

These days I tend to blame myself for everything.....that makes it easier....



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19 Apr 2010, 6:15 pm

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Hi, that makes sense to me, but I get confused as to what my gut feeling means - that's been my major problem and a major symptom of AS in my opinion. Still finding out this stuff though...


I know what you mean. I think the gut feeling has a lot of other stimuli to contend with in us and that makes it difficult to get a clear handle on. At least that is the way it works for me.

Because I don't take in information about people through body language (not naturally anyway, I've been training myself to do this), I believe I do however take in information through my other senses. This is going to sound freaky perhaps to some people, but my body can sense differences in energy from people and I also believe that I can maybe smell differences and I'm not fully conscious of it. One thing I do know for sure is that I have hyper-sensitive senses, including smell. I sometimes joke that I'm part bloodhound.

Anyway, it's still difficult when I'm in an overstimulating situation because I short circuit.

Oh, and I thought of another thing too. I am hyper sensitive to changes in air pressure and temperature and humidity. What if someone (someone who is normal, not those without conscience), gives off heat when they are playing you? It might be so minimal that you're not consciously aware of it. but somewhere in your primal gut you get the message?


Please pardon me for being off topic. I wanted to tell you that I believe you. I'm hyper-sensitive. I don't have the smell sense like you (I know there is a word for that other than "Bloodhound" :) I just need to remember it) but I can read energy. I have great intuition. I can sense somethings before they happen. I can also sense things when I look into people's eyes. I'm very sensitive to the weather like you are as well. I really wonder if it's an Aspie thing being like this (?) :chin: Meditation makes it stronger and clearer to recognized.

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19 Apr 2010, 6:45 pm

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Wow. So much has already been perfectly described by other posters that I can't even quote them all here.

You're certainly right about that. :)
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All I want to add is that I have been so severely scarred by vicious accusations of things I didn't do that it interferes with my functioning in nearly every part of my life 24/7.

It can saturate our lives it's that disturbing at times. I believe the "Deceptive Gene Theory" and that some NT's can tell were different and specifically target us Aspies. I have experienced so many similar incidents that everyone has written about where I was falsely accused of stealing things or doing things I have never done. I always wondered why this happen to me. Thank You all for sharing your experiences its just another thing that makes me feel less alone. :)

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Please pardon me for being off topic. I wanted to tell you that I believe you. I'm hyper-sensitive. I don't have the smell sense like you (I know there is a word for that other than "Bloodhound" :) I just need to remember it) but I can read energy. I have great intuition. I can sense somethings before they happen. I can also sense things when I look into people's eyes. I'm very sensitive to the weather like you are as well. I really wonder if it's an Aspie thing being like this (?) :chin: Meditation makes it stronger and clearer to recognized.

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Hi Taupey - thanks :)

I do think it's related to Asperger's and Autism. Just like Neurotypical people have their strengths, we Aspies & Autistics have our own strengths as well. There can be a lot of emphasis put on the negative aspects of being out of the norm, plus add the stress that happens due to sensitivity and I think we become overwhelmed and shut down in reactivity and self protection and then lose touch with our inner core of strengths.

Those strengths, for me, include being able to pick up on energy of people and read them that way. I actually believe that this can be a much more accurate and trustworthy signal than body language. It's instinctual and not merely visual like body language is. Just to give an example, I was in a group meeting last week. The meeting had just started. It was about 10 minutes into it and then in walked this woman a bit late. It was the first time I'd met or seen this woman. I immediately felt her energy, the minute she was in the room it hit. I suddenly cold fury. Now, this woman showed absolutely no visible body language signs of being angry. She smiled briefly and apologized for being late and then came and sat right next to me. I thought to myself, "OMG. Are you KIDDING me? Of all the places to sit, she's going to sit next to me? Greaaaatt.":/ Well, I could still feel she nothing but anger in the energy from her. She sat there like a quiet mouse and only spoke a couple of times in pretty much a low monotone and no emotional expression. I couldn't figure out why I was getting such a heavy stone cold fury energy from her. I learned later, that she is going through a really bad divorce and the s**t her soon to be ex is doing would make anyone furious. This kind of energy reading happens to me all the time.

I also have really good intuition. The smart thing to do is to LISTEN to it. The thing about intuition is it seems to come out of nowhere, like thin air. But there's something much deeper at work.

I agree with you about the meditation. I also think yoga might help. I haven't tried Tai Chi, but that might also be beneficial. Anything that gets you centered and in touch with your body as well as benefiting a clear and peaceful mind would help IMO.


Apologies to the OP for going a bit on a tangent on this topic. I figure since it's related to being unfairly blamed it's alright :P



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20 Apr 2010, 2:59 am

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Hi, that makes sense to me, but I get confused as to what my gut feeling means - that's been my major problem and a major symptom of AS in my opinion. Still finding out this stuff though...


I know what you mean. I think the gut feeling has a lot of other stimuli to contend with in us and that makes it difficult to get a clear handle on. At least that is the way it works for me.

Because I don't take in information about people through body language (not naturally anyway, I've been training myself to do this), I believe I do however take in information through my other senses. This is going to sound freaky perhaps to some people, but my body can sense differences in energy from people and I also believe that I can maybe smell differences and I'm not fully conscious of it. One thing I do know for sure is that I have hyper-sensitive senses, including smell. I sometimes joke that I'm part bloodhound.

Anyway, it's still difficult when I'm in an overstimulating situation because I short circuit.

Oh, and I thought of another thing too. I am hyper sensitive to changes in air pressure and temperature and humidity. What if someone (someone who is normal, not those without conscience), gives off heat when they are playing you? It might be so minimal that you're not consciously aware of it. but somewhere in your primal gut you get the message?


Please pardon me for being off topic. I wanted to tell you that I believe you. I'm hyper-sensitive. I don't have the smell sense like you (I know there is a word for that other than "Bloodhound" :) I just need to remember it) but I can read energy. I have great intuition. I can sense somethings before they happen. I can also sense things when I look into people's eyes. I'm very sensitive to the weather like you are as well. I really wonder if it's an Aspie thing being like this (?) :chin: Meditation makes it stronger and clearer to recognized.

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And you can add my vote on exactly the same thing too.

I have my own experiences with people automatically assuming that whenever I do something wrong or not right enough in their eyes its caused by either ill will on my part or clumsiness.
Defending myself is useless because somehow that will only reinforce their beliefs.

I have my own experiences with borderline or narcissistic people too. A few of my clients fall into those categories.
When I first met them I did not have the slightest clue about myself and my condition and so I was an easy target. That cost me a lot of money, which i will most likely never be paid back.
Now, I have at least learned to protect myself although I am not always subtle about that.


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20 Apr 2010, 3:24 am

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And you can add my vote on exactly the same thing too.

I have my own experiences with people automatically assuming that whenever I do something wrong or not right enough in their eyes its caused by either ill will on my part or clumsiness.
Defending myself is useless because somehow that will only reinforce their beliefs.


I think that when there's the mistaken assumption of ill will, there is an element of interpersonal interaction that I don't exhibit and that specifically is ingratiation. I'm incapable of it. I think that NTs are so used to it that they perceive anyone not doing it as suspect, which is a fallacy on their part, but ends up biting us in the butt.

Ironically, those that are capable the most deceptive ingratiation are the ones to look out for - the wolf in sheep's clothing.

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I have my own experiences with borderline or narcissistic people too. A few of my clients fall into those categories.
When I first met them I did not have the slightest clue about myself and my condition and so I was an easy target. That cost me a lot of money, which i will most likely never be paid back.
Now, I have at least learned to protect myself although I am not always subtle about that.


I've had a few of my own horrendous run-ins with these types as well. The last one cost me dearly. The positive side of it is that it's taught me (albeit very painfully), some valuable lessons of what to look for and what to work on for myself. As for being subtle, I think in some cases, subtlety just ain't gonna work. Never cut the devil some slack unless you feel like getting hung.



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20 Apr 2010, 10:29 am

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I can totally relate to everything shared thus far in this topic....I'm new to the forums and I firmly believe myself to have Aspergers, though I haven't received a formal diagnosis. Going back to the main topic, though, I was laid off from my first real job a couple weeks ago and I wouldn't doubt that my symptoms had something to do with it. On several occasions I was reprimanded for screwing up on a particular assignment or failing to record a document in our computer system. On most occasions, however, the problem revolved around one particular secretary who worked there. She was very lazy and goofed off a lot, but she got along well with several of the people who worked there. It took a bit for me to pick up on it, but I realized she was using me as her scapegoat, so whenever she screwed up one of her work assignments, she'd try as hard as possible to blame it on me.

I realize I made an easy target....I didn't have a strong repore with many of the people there, and even those I get along with I didn't relate to as well as I'd like, since the bottom line is, I just don't understand other people, specifically NTs. I'm basically clueless as to the "right" way to get along with others...sure, I can go through the motions, such as greeting someone, asking how they are, how they're doing, etc. but it always comes across as forced and awkward. This leads to a very forced relationship with most people, and in this position my work required me to associate with everyone else and assist with their projects. Whenever I was assigned something to do, I would complete it to the best of my abilities but several times I misinterpreted their instructions, though no one seemed willing to tell me how I did this. I wonder if that attitude was directed at me more for my lack of proper social skills than for my actual work performance. Of course, that's not a question they would ever answer, and I'm not intuitive enough to figure out whether that's the case.

Anyway, this particular assistant was also laid off at the beginning of the year so things got much better. I was never spoken to about my work performance again until the day I was let go, and their office manual REQUIRES at least one verbal warning and two written warnings before they terminate someone's employment, so obviously they didn't even follow their own protocol. Because of all this, I'm convinced that I was let go because I didn't "click" with others as well as they'd like which, to me, is a poor reason for letting someone go from a job.

This position is the main instance in which I can point out these things happening, but throughout my life I can recall similar circumstances here and there, where I was singled out and could never figure out why. It really disappoints me that people can be so shallow and superficial, since I'm always polite, I always showed up on time, never complained when I was given an assignment, etc, but I guess that's just how the real world works.


Isn't it funny that you mention this. I have noticed that human dynamics plays a big part in the blame game. As an example, a number of years ago I had a boss at a security job. To put it mildly, the guy was a work of art. He would often lie, show up late or call into work, be beligerent with those around him, etc. He had built a pact with another person who worked there that was just like him. Even though he work performance was lackluster, he found things to accuse the other guards that worked for him. It was hell. The nasty boss left and we got this young hispanic fellow as a boss that was much more laid back. The whole atmosphere of the workplace changed overnight.

I have had bosses or friends that once they are out of the picture, your life gets more calm and better.



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Please pardon me for being off topic. I wanted to tell you that I believe you. I'm hyper-sensitive. I don't have the smell sense like you (I know there is a word for that other than "Bloodhound" :) I just need to remember it) but I can read energy. I have great intuition. I can sense somethings before they happen. I can also sense things when I look into people's eyes. I'm very sensitive to the weather like you are as well. I really wonder if it's an Aspie thing being like this (?) :chin: Meditation makes it stronger and clearer to recognized.

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Hi Taupey - thanks :)

I do think it's related to Asperger's and Autism. Just like Neurotypical people have their strengths, we Aspies & Autistics have our own strengths as well. There can be a lot of emphasis put on the negative aspects of being out of the norm, plus add the stress that happens due to sensitivity and I think we become overwhelmed and shut down in reactivity and self protection and then lose touch with our inner core of strengths.

Those strengths, for me, include being able to pick up on energy of people and read them that way. I actually believe that this can be a much more accurate and trustworthy signal than body language. It's instinctual and not merely visual like body language is.


Yes, that's how I feel about it too.

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Just to give an example, I was in a group meeting last week. The meeting had just started. It was about 10 minutes into it and then in walked this woman a bit late. It was the first time I'd met or seen this woman. I immediately felt her energy, the minute she was in the room it hit. I suddenly cold fury. Now, this woman showed absolutely no visible body language signs of being angry. She smiled briefly and apologized for being late and then came and sat right next to me. I thought to myself, "OMG. Are you KIDDING me? Of all the places to sit, she's going to sit next to me? Greaaaatt.":/ Well, I could still feel she nothing but anger in the energy from her. She sat there like a quiet mouse and only spoke a couple of times in pretty much a low monotone and no emotional expression. I couldn't figure out why I was getting such a heavy stone cold fury energy from her.

I hate to be close to someone who is experiencing strong negative emotions like that. I feel like I have to constantly guard myself when I am in situations like that. It's difficult to deal with and so draining sometimes.

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I learned later, that she is going through a really bad divorce and the sh** her soon to be ex is doing would make anyone furious. This kind of energy reading happens to me all the time.

I also have really good intuition. The smart thing to do is to LISTEN to it. The thing about intuition is it seems to come out of nowhere, like thin air. But there's something much deeper at work.


That's too bad for the woman. Divorces can get so ugly sometimes. Yes, I agree it does seem to come out of nowhere. I believe it.

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I agree with you about the meditation. I also think yoga might help. I haven't tried Tai Chi, but that might also be beneficial. Anything that gets you centered and in touch with your body as well as benefiting a clear and peaceful mind would help IMO.


Apologies to the OP for going a bit on a tangent on this topic. I figure since it's related to being unfairly blamed it's alright :P


It is related because I can sense that blaming BS, liars and game players without even looking at them. Thank You both for sharing your post and experiences. :)

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20 Apr 2010, 10:58 am

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And you can add my vote on exactly the same thing too.

I have my own experiences with people automatically assuming that whenever I do something wrong or not right enough in their eyes its caused by either ill will on my part or clumsiness.
Defending myself is useless because somehow that will only reinforce their beliefs.

I have my own experiences with borderline or narcissistic people too. A few of my clients fall into those categories.
When I first met them I did not have the slightest clue about myself and my condition and so I was an easy target.


This is what I have been, an easy target because I knew nothing about myself. Yes, I believe these borderlines and narcissistics do have a nose for people with AS/HFA. It's true, knowledge is power.

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That cost me a lot of money, which i will most likely never be paid back.
Now, I have at least learned to protect myself although I am not always subtle about that.


It has cost me too. I am learning so much since I found WP. What's sad is the number of people who have gone through life never knowing, never understanding any of this. We need more public education of AS/HFA.

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20 Apr 2010, 5:40 pm

I have had this happen, mostly among my family. I've come to realize, after lots of research and a little counseling, that I grew up with a bunch of folks with borderline and/or sociopathic tendencies. Go figure.

I've now learned that people with impaired social function (me!) are fun targets for folks with these personality issues. That may be what yall are experiencing here.

I don't have a lot of luck at work when I work directly with others (though I hate being alone!) because I do not look the other way at the two faced backbiting that others seem to just revel in. It pisses me off and the first time someone does it to me I stop interacting with that person as much as possible. I observe others continue to interact with these same folks even though they are also betrayed by them, it does not make sense to me and I can't play that game.



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I have had this happen, mostly among my family. I've come to realize, after lots of research and a little counseling, that I grew up with a bunch of folks with borderline and/or sociopathic tendencies. Go figure.

I've now learned that people with impaired social function (me!) are fun targets for folks with these personality issues. That may be what yall are experiencing here.


Yeah, that's exactly what's happening IMO. It's the mirror-projection effect. Recognition of and personal accountability for the abyss that resides in the disordered is too painful for them, so they project onto a target.

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I don't have a lot of luck at work when I work directly with others (though I hate being alone!) because I do not look the other way at the two faced backbiting that others seem to just revel in. It pisses me off and the first time someone does it to me I stop interacting with that person as much as possible. I observe others continue to interact with these same folks even though they are also betrayed by them, it does not make sense to me and I can't play that game.


The problem with stopping the interaction is that it doesn't stop the poisonous behaviour, it merely isolates you. That's what I've learned. What I think is necessary is not so much a faux cocooning from the game player, rather letting them know you're not going to tolerate being scapegoated. That still means not letting them into your space or trusting them but still interacting with them. It's a power game with these types. "Hiding" from them only feeds into their espionage tactics and sends the victim message to them.



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21 Apr 2010, 11:52 am

In school, I was the class scape goat even if there was no actual evidence against me. I remember we were told to never touch the "electric box" and I saw it was open one day. I told my teacher and she took away my recess becuase she thought I had opened it. My third grade teacher who got like a phycopathic pleasure from belitting me in frount of everyone was worse though. If something was out of place, missing or broken....Jessie did it. If anything went wrong all fingers were pointed at me and whenever a suspect was needed I was always chosen. I was esentially the teacher's whipping girl.



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21 Apr 2010, 1:03 pm

PunkyKat wrote:
In school, I was the class scape goat even if there was no actual evidence against me. I remember we were told to never touch the "electric box" and I saw it was open one day. I told my teacher and she took away my recess becuase she thought I had opened it. My third grade teacher who got like a phycopathic pleasure from belitting me in frount of everyone was worse though. If something was out of place, missing or broken....Jessie did it. If anything went wrong all fingers were pointed at me and whenever a suspect was needed I was always chosen. I was esentially the teacher's whipping girl.


I had a couple of teachers like that too. Both of them in High School and both of them female. I also have had 2 bosses like that. Both of them female psycho-bully biotches. Fortunately, I know how to spot them right away, now.