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12 Jul 2010, 3:57 pm

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This little topic is related to something I have sometimes spoken about earlier, looking in the mirror and somehow not feeling as though your reflection is 'you'. (I feel this way because I rarely ever see my own reflection, so I feel a weird sort of 'unfamiliarity' toward my own face.)

But I digress... When I was born, my mother gave me an Irish name that is initially difficult to pronounce for most people here in the Netherlands. As a result, I am not all too fond of my own name, although I will not say I HATE my name. I would have preferred if she had named me something like 'Evert' or 'Willem', but I still consider my name a gift.

But I also find it a little bit difficult to introduce myself on the phone as 'C-----'*. Or even to think to myself and address myself like, 'Well, C-----, what are you going to do today?' On the phone, I prefer to introduce myself with my surname, because that's far more general and less direct. It also creates some distance.

Does anyone else experience their name like this? I'm genuinely curious, because I was wondering if it was related to the distance I feel toward my own reflection, which I have also seen in an autistic savant who was on a T.V. talkshow in the 1990s. Your input is welcome!


(* name obscured for no particular reason... it just feels more comfortable)


I'm dutch too. And my mother gave me an Irish name too.

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12 Jul 2010, 3:58 pm

In my opinion, I have an awesome name. It's one syllable, fits in arcade machine high score tables, and everyone remembers it.

At least, it was great until Wayne Rooney had to ruin it for me.


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12 Jul 2010, 4:07 pm

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This is a very interesting topic, and I think the "name" phenomenon is related to the problem with not feeling like the image in the mirror is really "you". I had both of these problems for much of my life, as well as a horror of listening to my own voice on a tape recorder or answering machine. There is actually nothing wrong with my name, and I don't "dislike" it; I think, throughout most of my life, I didn't feel like it was "me". I've finally slowly gotten used to it, I guess by the simple fact that I've lived with this name, and this face, for a while now. (Still not used to my voice though).

But here's another interesting question: for much of my life, the only way I could think of "myself" was by pretending I was another person. If I had any daydreams about myself, I had to insert this other person, rather than myself as I am; it's like I just couldn't accept myself. For instance, as a child I "was" a gypsy girl, a little Sioux Indian boy, a pharaoh of Egypt, etc. When I was a teenager (after pretending I was Elton John for awhile)- I would take the appearances of various attractive, obscure actresses, add a name and a personality that I liked and pretend that was "me". I usually didn't try to look like these people in real life, I just imagined, in my head, that I WAS them. I did these things well into my 20's. As I said, I finally grew accustomed to myself as is- took long enough though. Did anyone else do anything like this???


I did, and still do on occasion.


Yes. This is depersonalization. I have ALWAYS thought this way and have done everything you and the OP described for along as I can remember. It can be a seperate disorder but also linked to ASDs. I don't think I've ever truly felt like I owned my own face.



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12 Jul 2010, 4:12 pm

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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Morgana wrote:
This is a very interesting topic, and I think the "name" phenomenon is related to the problem with not feeling like the image in the mirror is really "you". I had both of these problems for much of my life, as well as a horror of listening to my own voice on a tape recorder or answering machine. There is actually nothing wrong with my name, and I don't "dislike" it; I think, throughout most of my life, I didn't feel like it was "me". I've finally slowly gotten used to it, I guess by the simple fact that I've lived with this name, and this face, for a while now. (Still not used to my voice though).

But here's another interesting question: for much of my life, the only way I could think of "myself" was by pretending I was another person. If I had any daydreams about myself, I had to insert this other person, rather than myself as I am; it's like I just couldn't accept myself. For instance, as a child I "was" a gypsy girl, a little Sioux Indian boy, a pharaoh of Egypt, etc. When I was a teenager (after pretending I was Elton John for awhile)- I would take the appearances of various attractive, obscure actresses, add a name and a personality that I liked and pretend that was "me". I usually didn't try to look like these people in real life, I just imagined, in my head, that I WAS them. I did these things well into my 20's. As I said, I finally grew accustomed to myself as is- took long enough though. Did anyone else do anything like this???


I did, and still do on occasion.


Yes. This is depersonalization. I have ALWAYS thought this way and have done everything you and the OP described for along as I can remember. It can be a seperate disorder but also linked to ASDs. I don't think I've ever truly felt like I owned my own face.


I haven't gone as far as to depersonalize myself. In social situations however, I sometimes think of myself in the third person. It's a good way of checking how your behaviour and person fit in the situation.



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12 Jul 2010, 4:14 pm

It's funny for me to hear such things...thankfully, I have a great NT husband who will listen to all these things that come to mind and just says "really?" But never makes me feel like a freak.

Anyway, I definitely agree with the whole "looking in the mirror thing"...and after that???

If I hear my voice in a recording, etc...it doesn't sound like "me".
When people call my name, I know they are calling me but I do not feel "that my name represents me, that it suits me, that it's really me...it's like that's just what people call me to get my attention, but not really me...very weird..."



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13 Jul 2010, 12:19 am

My name I've always been fine with. It wasn't one of those names that people could make an obnoxious rhyme/nickname out of.

Every time I look in the mirror I see someone different. I think of them as aspects of myself, but no single one of them is the "real" me--for some reason, I'm thinking of the Psychology term "Gestalt" here.

I still don't like hearing myself on tape.


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13 Jul 2010, 12:22 am

Deidara wrote:
MotownDangerPants wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Morgana wrote:
This is a very interesting topic, and I think the "name" phenomenon is related to the problem with not feeling like the image in the mirror is really "you". I had both of these problems for much of my life, as well as a horror of listening to my own voice on a tape recorder or answering machine. There is actually nothing wrong with my name, and I don't "dislike" it; I think, throughout most of my life, I didn't feel like it was "me". I've finally slowly gotten used to it, I guess by the simple fact that I've lived with this name, and this face, for a while now. (Still not used to my voice though).

But here's another interesting question: for much of my life, the only way I could think of "myself" was by pretending I was another person. If I had any daydreams about myself, I had to insert this other person, rather than myself as I am; it's like I just couldn't accept myself. For instance, as a child I "was" a gypsy girl, a little Sioux Indian boy, a pharaoh of Egypt, etc. When I was a teenager (after pretending I was Elton John for awhile)- I would take the appearances of various attractive, obscure actresses, add a name and a personality that I liked and pretend that was "me". I usually didn't try to look like these people in real life, I just imagined, in my head, that I WAS them. I did these things well into my 20's. As I said, I finally grew accustomed to myself as is- took long enough though. Did anyone else do anything like this???


I did, and still do on occasion.


Yes. This is depersonalization. I have ALWAYS thought this way and have done everything you and the OP described for along as I can remember. It can be a seperate disorder but also linked to ASDs. I don't think I've ever truly felt like I owned my own face.


I haven't gone as far as to depersonalize myself. In social situations however, I sometimes think of myself in the third person. It's a good way of checking how your behaviour and person fit in the situation.


I used to all the time, not so long ago I was even using "we" or "us" when thinking. I don't do it so much anymore but I'm still not connected to myself.



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13 Jul 2010, 12:38 am

Thanks for your comments, you guys! I'm relieved to see how many people here experience names as labels that were 'thrust upon them'. I should repeat I don't dislike my name, it has a nice meaning, and many people comment they really like it for being so uncommon. There WERE greatly annoying pronunciation issues in the past, however

And ruveyn, I actually requested at the administration office last year if they could change my name (I wanted to add another first name to go before my current first name), but it was far too expensive! But I do realise that I could simply ask other people to call me by a different name even if my official name is such-and-such.

You know, in the past, one of my special interests was taxonomy, so I was fascinated by the scientific names assigned to animals and plants (because this appealed to my sense of order). These days however, while I still like them, I place less value on those names. A crow doesn't think of itself as either 'crow' or 'Corvus corone', after all. :)

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But here's another interesting question: for much of my life, the only way I could think of "myself" was by pretending I was another person. If I had any daydreams about myself, I had to insert this other person, rather than myself as I am; it's like I just couldn't accept myself. For instance, as a child I "was" a gypsy girl, a little Sioux Indian boy, a pharaoh of Egypt, etc. When I was a teenager (after pretending I was Elton John for awhile)- I would take the appearances of various attractive, obscure actresses, add a name and a personality that I liked and pretend that was "me". I usually didn't try to look like these people in real life, I just imagined, in my head, that I WAS them. I did these things well into my 20's. As I said, I finally grew accustomed to myself as is- took long enough though. Did anyone else do anything like this???


I think I have done something similar, but not as elaborate as you described... as a child, up until my late teenage years, and sometimes even now, I would 'imagine' myself to have a different face from my own. For instance the face of an actor or singer I liked, or even an animated character. This was not because I felt a need to look like them, but rather because somehow I'd feel their face would be more 'suited' to the social situation I was in, if that makes any bit of sense. Then, if I'd see my reflection in a mirror or window immediately after having such a thought, I'd be genuinely startled by the reflection and think "Oh, right... THAT's what I look like." I mean, my rational mind always does remember what my face looks like, but in my head I substitute another face for my 'abstract' self.

Morgana, not recognising your own recorded voice is quite common even for people who aren't on the spectrum. As we all hear our own voices from the inside, resonating through our heads, the sound is always different from what others hear. :)

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I'm dutch too. And my mother gave me an Irish name too.

Something's not right about this.

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And you're 23, like me... I smell a baby naming trend! She wasn't, by any chance, watching a BBC show when she came up with the name? That's how I got mine.


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13 Jul 2010, 12:38 am

I've felt this way ALL my life! Holy crap, I had no idea this was related to AS, I just thought it was 'cause my name is boring. "Matthew". Really? The third-most-common Christian name in the world? How can something so boring and common describe me, unless I'm boring and common? I've spent my life trying to come up with a name that "describes" me, or a nickname, or... whatever. Nothin'. It's really hard to contemplate myself as a name.

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But here's another interesting question: for much of my life, the only way I could think of "myself" was by pretending I was another person. If I had any daydreams about myself, I had to insert this other person, rather than myself as I am; it's like I just couldn't accept myself. For instance, as a child I "was" a gypsy girl, a little Sioux Indian boy, a pharaoh of Egypt, etc. When I was a teenager (after pretending I was Elton John for awhile)- I would take the appearances of various attractive, obscure actresses, add a name and a personality that I liked and pretend that was "me". I usually didn't try to look like these people in real life, I just imagined, in my head, that I WAS them. I did these things well into my 20's. As I said, I finally grew accustomed to myself as is- took long enough though. Did anyone else do anything like this???

Ho-LEEE crap. I don't fantasize about myself; whenever I have daydreams, I'm only "me" about a twentieth of the time (or less). I have a number of other blanket avatars that I assume in my daydreams or fantasies. I think it's part of why I can sink into video games and comic books so completely, if they engage me well enough. These easily include people of both genders, or mixed genders.

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Somebody in office: Bla bla bla bla... tell me your name
V: Katja Schrödinger*
* It's not my real last name, but sounds similar.

Aw, I got all excited. Like, "Really? Like, THE Schroedinger?" Do you exist and not exist in equal probabilities, until observed?



I don't mean to sound maudlin, but I've been here, like, an hour and have already learned a lot more about Asperger's than I knew before. This is really exciting.



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13 Jul 2010, 12:51 am

Don't worry, Gotholympians, and welcome to the forum. :P

I wasn't sure this was an ASD issue when I came up with this topic either, though I had my suspicions... but I decided to throw it into the forum, and here you go. :p


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13 Jul 2010, 6:34 am

Never felt much of an attachment to my first or last name. My last name can be pronounced two different ways and people are always asking which way and I always answer that I don't care which makes them upset for some reason. My first name is boring and meaningless, but whatever, as long as it's something people can call me I don't care either. I've never really liked names in the first place, I hate calling people by their names too.

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But here's another interesting question: for much of my life, the only way I could think of "myself" was by pretending I was another person. If I had any daydreams about myself, I had to insert this other person, rather than myself as I am; it's like I just couldn't accept myself. For instance, as a child I "was" a gypsy girl, a little Sioux Indian boy, a pharaoh of Egypt, etc. When I was a teenager (after pretending I was Elton John for awhile)- I would take the appearances of various attractive, obscure actresses, add a name and a personality that I liked and pretend that was "me". I usually didn't try to look like these people in real life, I just imagined, in my head, that I WAS them. I did these things well into my 20's. As I said, I finally grew accustomed to myself as is- took long enough though. Did anyone else do anything like this???

Done this all my life.



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13 Jul 2010, 11:17 am

This may have nothing to do with this but I hate when people call by my name it bugs me customers do it all the time and it makes me feel like yes my name is on my shirt but you dont know me so why are you calling me that. Also everyone spells mine wrong so now when I say it I always have to spell it because otherwise it will be spelled any whichway. My parents dont even call me by my name anymore instead they call me the inside joke nickname they have and my fiance calls me all the nicknames he has for me too, when he says my name I get uncomfortable. I also hate calling people by their names more so my fiance again because its uncomfortable.


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14 Jul 2010, 6:14 am

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I think it's a diabolical liberty that some employers see fit to force their workers to wear little tags with their familiar names on them. It's as if they're trying to make people feign affection to the customers........horribly invasive and I'm grateful nobody's ever tried to get me doing that. They should leave people alone and concentrate on providing good value for money instead of all this psychological warfare stuff. Business relationships and social relationships are very different things.

I don't call people by name much at all. Probably because I've usually very little faith in my ability to get their names right, and it doesn't seem to do any harm to just avoid their names when greeting them, though Dale Carnegie stressed that people usually love hearing their own names, and strongly recommended using names as a tool for making friends and influencing people.

A name can be used as a way of getting somebody to listen.......I knew a guy who would start by saying my name, then that would get my attention, and he'd have time to think about what to say next. I keep meaning to use that technique myself, because mostly people only know I'm talking to them when I've mumbled my way through half the sentence, so they don't always get what I say.

I like shortening and "familiarising" people's names when I'm beginning to know them better. Some of the abbreviated forms sound very affectionate and it's my way of telling them I'm starting to feel closer to them. But you need to watch out that you don't use some hated diminutive that used to annoy them when their parents used it. I also like using people's middle names without warning, especially when nobody else has used them for years.



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14 Jul 2010, 6:36 am

My name is Hebrew, but I am Roman Catholic(not a far cry from the Old Testament). I am named after a prophet. It means "unique to God" or "not like any other".

People misspell it constantly.

I do not recognise myself, in that it does not instinctively look like me even though intellectually, I know that it is.

I find it very difficult to look in my own eyes in the mirror.

My name is a boys name, even though I am female.

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14 Jul 2010, 9:23 am

Im so glad someone bought this up. Since I was a little girl, I have wanted to change my name. I always felt like my name was not meant for me and I would try to have people call me a different name that I made up for myself. Some of greatest name change ideas: Lazinka, Starr, Johnny and Lucifer Jones. My real name is Barbara. It just seems like an old lady name to me.



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14 Jul 2010, 6:48 pm

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I think it's a diabolical liberty that some employers see fit to force their workers to wear little tags with their familiar names on them. It's as if they're trying to make people feign affection to the customers........horribly invasive and I'm grateful nobody's ever tried to get me doing that. They should leave people alone and concentrate on providing good value for money instead of all this psychological warfare stuff. Business relationships and social relationships are very different things.


I do have to wear a name tag. However, not too many customers bother to use it.

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I also like using people's middle names without warning, especially when nobody else has used them for years.


I knew a few people who purposely went by their middle names, including one professor.


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