NTs, why are you here?
DenvrDave
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One here does not like....OK, and that's his opinion.
One problem or difference that I do sometimes have with NTs is this very dilemma; they take what I say/write as if it's oppositional which is certainly not the case. See what I mean?
One example (innocuous, but illustrative): I attended a local 'group' for Autism - mostly with just NT parents. I really did not fit in, at all! And the difference was gaping. But there was one Aspie there (whom I do like). I do stim (some) and noticably. The parents, ironically, had been talking about stimming (and why it's bad, stop them, blah blah blah). I did write, with genuine honesty, "Is my stimming bothersome to you? Or instrusive?" I asked because I was curious. With no emotion. As a query to them, to investigate the matter.
What I got back: The parents were edgy, expressing that I was somehow defiant (no). Thankfully, the other Aspie said, in effect, "It's just a question! Exploratory." Yes! See the difference? I know sometimes Aspies ask.....but it's what we do! We are a curious people. Those questions are not necessarily trying to make another defensive/upset. Then, worse, we may not really understand why given NT is upset, and with us personally! Really this is a difference in interpretation and style of thought. And this is precisely why it's very good we have NTs on board. Even though we might give them a headache at times. And they hurt our feelings.
Then, the other Aspie at this meeting did point out that, to us, stimming is good. Stimming serves a purpose and it's calming, like nothing else. In fact, I can get positively lost in stimming. Then, at meeting, I did instruct that stimming (Self Stimulatory Repetitive Movement) propogates a rush of oxytocin, the hormone of love/bonding. [factoid - that is what stimming does; it's love.]
Those parent did not know. Although some stimming can be disruptive (in extreme cases!) or draw unwanted attention (which then may need to be addressed), it does fulfill a real sensory need, like DW_a_mom stated above. Even stimming, which is natural to us, can be misinterpreted by the "normal" population, and unfortunately even medical providers. But love/bonding is oftentimes what ASD individuals are missing - and may be why we don't bond so well. Instead, we manufacture that oxytocin manually.
Stimming feels like drinking warm soup and it flows. Maybe NTs need to know that sort-of thing and that's why they are here. Plus, then they teach us about emotive stuff.
So, wasn't that a fascinating story of Sister Viktorine?
Note: Currently 79% said they are Autistic & want to know the results (I'm in this category too). I am curious sometimes - I'd guess they have a family member (mostly), they're a paid researcher, or they think Aspies are hot and like to watch us in action (so I tell myself) - kidding, sort-of

Nostaglia......One famed NT, OK if I give his name? Dr. Ed Ritvo (UCLA) is (or was....heh heh) a member, briefly. I lambasted him and hard. Dr. Ed was postively rude and out-of-line with all of us. Also lost. Granted, he *may* be a good doctor (read some of his stuff though - don't know) but I don't much like him, personally. Then, his wife (yes, Mrs. Ritvo) actually emailed me.

I thought everything you wrote was interesting, especially the explanation of stimming and the oxytocin connection. Also, I didn't take the OP the wrong away...just assumed he was curious, and I hope it was gesture of friendship.
Well, according to all the online tests I am an Aspie but I just don't know. I came here because I feel like I can relate to all of the AS folk here. It feels nice.
I really doubt there are any NT people on WP who hold ill will against people on the spectrum. Sites like this help open lines of communication.
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I'm no expert in abbreviations, and I always guess some of them, but is that a typo? It seems like it should be GTFO. (Get the f*** out?)
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As for the topic: Even though i resent NT's and the social devices they force upon you in society, i see no reason why blocking them would result in anything good. The NT's get come here (most of them) are quick to learn or has had some experience with Autism in the past. Sure, there are a few w*kers that show up on occation, but people rarely point out the good stuff and usually overinflate the events of bad stuff.
As Bruce Schneier (Link) put it, "three gunned down in random violence" usually sells more newspapers than "300 million americans had an uneventful day".
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Well this is just great. If you put down that you think you have Asperger's on your profile but don't have a diagnosis then you're not welcome because you're fake. If you decide not to, to leave it as neurotypical, then you are also not welcome. And aspies accuse NTs of ostracising them and making them feel left out.
(I thank the flying spaghetti monster for those posters wise enough to oppose this elitism.)

(I thank the flying spaghetti monster for those posters wise enough to oppose this elitism.)
There's also the "Not sure if I have it or not" category, which is what I picked.
On this poll, I picked the last choice, not because I'm claiming to have autism, but because I'm here pretty much mostly because of my own autistic traits, and definitely don't consider myself NT, and I think those who would consider me NT are using the term too loosely... it's not like we're all either diagnosable, or else have a normal brain.
One of the reasons I came here (after having previously found it while looking for stuff on ADHD) is because of a friend with some autistic traits, and wanting to understand that friendship, but that's really why I'm here.
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Aspie Quiz: 110 Aspie, 103 Neurotypical.
Used to be more autistic than I am now.

(I thank the flying spaghetti monster for those posters wise enough to oppose this elitism.)
The categories came up on the WP Discussion board and, based on the comments there, I decided the thing to do was to put a little info on it in my sig, since not all is as neat as pick option 1, 2 or 3. I have no idea when or if ever we can get Alex to work on the programmed options, but it seems that members do like to know, and that is my advice for now to anyone uncomfortable with the choices.
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(I thank the flying spaghetti monster for those posters wise enough to oppose this elitism.)
The categories came up on the WP Discussion board and, based on the comments there, I decided the thing to do was to put a little info on it in my sig, since not all is as neat as pick option 1, 2 or 3. I have no idea when or if ever we can get Alex to work on the programmed options, but it seems that members do like to know, and that is my advice for now to anyone uncomfortable with the choices.
Agree in that I think the Wrong Planet could have different/improved categories regarding our neuro/psych status as some NTs feel not represented properly.
MotherKnowsBest: You are always welcome on the Wrong Planet.
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