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29 Jul 2010, 5:48 pm

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We all realize that "parents should do their job".



Parents also shouldn't allow their children to wander through shopping malls alone because they may get picked up by a
child predator.


But....parents often fail to "do their job" in this respect and the one in question.

This doesn't give pedophiles the right to target children though.



Nor should it give McDonald's the right to target children.


I don't think that's a good analogy.

1)the damage that child molestors do to children is significantly worse than the damage fatty foods does to them (there seems to be a consensus that the rape comparison was really ill-advised)

2)I can't 100% protect my daughter against predation. I do what I can but I can't make it foolproof. However I can protect her 100% against McDonalds. All I have to do is say "no".




I think it is. I think your number #1 is subjective and arguable.



I would say things like diabetes, cardivascular problems, cancer, etc...at 35 are about as damaging (all things considered) as child molestation.

There is a consensus thus far....but using this alone to attempt to invalidate the comparison would be an example of arguemtum ad populum.


As for number #2....just because you protect your child 100% against McDonald's doesn't mean all parents will.


Again...I don't see why children with irresponsible parents should then become fair game for every element in society which would prey upon them.



We don't even allow kids the occasional glass of wine. But nobody in this society seems to think there's anything wrong with millions of kids consuming little more than junk food for the first 18 years of
their life.


The sort of ethics being expressed in this thread leave something to be desired IMO.


Just because person X decides to leave their door unlocked does not give person Y the right to rob their house.


Likewise...just because parent X is decides not to ensure their kid eats a healthy diet does not give junk food peddler Y the right to exploit children in such a way that will eventually rob them of their health and very lives.



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29 Jul 2010, 5:50 pm

Horus, stop spacing your paragraph like that. It's very annoying.



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29 Jul 2010, 5:50 pm

No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger



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29 Jul 2010, 5:55 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger


About 1000 times worse.


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29 Jul 2010, 5:59 pm

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Oh good lord... it's McDonald's job to make money. Targeting children is a good marketing strategy. Parents just need to suck it up and learn the word 'no'.





Just like it's a pedophile's "job" to rape children.


What parents NEED to do and what many of them WILL do are entirely seperate matters.


Meanwhile...corporations just get the green light to exploit children when their parents fail to what is right by them.


I fail to see how this state of affairs is morally acceptable.


I fail to see why corporations should be permitted to engage in every anti-social practice imaginable simply because it's their "job" to make money.



Most Americans would crucify the drug dealer who tried to sell heroin to their children.


Is a constant diet of foods high in fat, cholesterol, sugar, carbs, etc...REALLY that much less unhealthy than heroin addiction?


"A pedophile is not in the same category as McDonald's. Not even close. Neither is a drug dealer".

"Sure, fast food is unhealthy but it's not going to kill you or cause irreparable damage from one consumption like heroin can".

Then again, I may be the wrong person to debate this point since I believe making any drug illegal is unconstitutional.




""A pedophile is not in the same category as McDonald's. Not even close. Neither is a drug dealer".



Subjective......any reasons which you could use to try to prove these claims will always be nothing more than a matter of opinion and therefore, not more worthy of debate than one's taste in music.


"Sure, fast food is unhealthy but it's not going to kill you or cause irreparable damage from one consumption like heroin can".




Long-term consumption of fast food certainly has the potential to do both. 18 years of regular fast food consumption
can probably be defined as long-term consumption.



"Then again, I may be the wrong person to debate this point since I believe making any drug illegal is unconstitutional."[/


I do too....but that's for another thread.



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29 Jul 2010, 6:01 pm

Its not opinion, its fact that the McDonald's franchise is not a Paedophillic organisation :x



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29 Jul 2010, 6:01 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger





Cardiovascular trouble at 25 from eating 4000 burgers might be pretty bad too though.



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29 Jul 2010, 6:02 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger





Cardiovascular trouble at 25 from eating 4000 burgers might be pretty bad too though.



Post Traumatic Stress for the rest of your life from being molested as a child might be pretty much worse though.



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29 Jul 2010, 6:03 pm

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Its not opinion, its fact that the McDonald's franchise is not a Paedophillic organisation :x





You obviously don't even understand what i'm trying to say.



Nevermind....i've said my piece...i'm done with this thread.



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29 Jul 2010, 6:03 pm

LOL I WINZ



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29 Jul 2010, 6:04 pm

It's not subjective. As a survivor of child molestation, I should know. Burgers never caused my PTSD... the molestation did.


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29 Jul 2010, 6:04 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger





Cardiovascular trouble at 25 from eating 4000 burgers might be pretty bad too though.
true, premature death might just be worse in the long run.


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29 Jul 2010, 6:05 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger





Cardiovascular trouble at 25 from eating 4000 burgers might be pretty bad too though.



Post Traumatic Stress for the rest of your life from being molested as a child might be pretty much worse though.



"Might" being the operative word here.


Only the individual can determine such things.


And please don't use any arguementum ad populum logical fallacies here to try and say otherwise.



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29 Jul 2010, 6:05 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger





Cardiovascular trouble at 25 from eating 4000 burgers might be pretty bad too though.
true, premature death might just be worse in the long run.
to clarify, i mean strictly in the physical sense.
in the sense of emotional health, actual rape is prolly much worse.


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29 Jul 2010, 6:06 pm

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No I think youl find that being molested is worse then being given a burger





Cardiovascular trouble at 25 from eating 4000 burgers might be pretty bad too though.
true, premature death might just be worse in the long run.


I seriously doubt it. Besides, it would take a lot more than those burgers to die that young due to poor eating habits.


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29 Jul 2010, 6:07 pm

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LOL I WINZ



Have your self-perceived "winnings"....nobody cares.