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21 Oct 2010, 9:39 pm

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why would anyone want to NOT have aspergers?


Exactly, this is the question we need to answer.


Because it can make you miss social cues, leading to a less than desirable social life and unnecessary conflict, hence sabotaging your opportunities to advance in the world. I don't know if I have it, but I do NOT enjoy dealing with whatever I have.


With all due respect to the 'real' world, seems to me that NTs have done a mighty fine job of screwing things up. I suppose if missing social cues prevents my own self-empowerment then it's worth working on improving that. But if a 'cure' only means becoming NT, why bother?



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21 Oct 2010, 11:20 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
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why would anyone want to NOT have aspergers?


Exactly, this is the question we need to answer.


Because it can make you miss social cues, leading to a less than desirable social life and unnecessary conflict, hence sabotaging your opportunities to advance in the world. I don't know if I have it, but I do NOT enjoy dealing with whatever I have.


With all due respect to the 'real' world, seems to me that NTs have done a mighty fine job of screwing things up. I suppose if missing social cues prevents my own self-empowerment then it's worth working on improving that. But if a 'cure' only means becoming NT, why bother?


Not that we'll see it in our lifetime. I agree with you, and so does everyone else here, the real world is screwed up. But we live in it, so we have to do our best to compensate. It won't change. I'm not saying it's the people on the spectrum who are screwed up, but you have to admit, it's a really really impeding condition.



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22 Oct 2010, 2:31 am

"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do."



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22 Oct 2010, 6:02 am

From your posts OP you seem lower functioning (More autistic) than the average person here. I can only judge from your posts.



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22 Oct 2010, 6:04 am

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I would do anything to get rid of my AS. It causes nothing but trouble and it makes people see me in the wrong light. Its a disgusting joke and Hans should have been shot during the war for his stupidity.


Yeah. Whatever. As if Hans dying before he wrote his papers would have changed your underlying neurology. You would still be you. It would just be called something else.

Or are you using dark humor?


I am not a humourous person. Give me a time machine and I'll go back and clip him myself.


I'm not sure letting you use my time machine would be high on the list if I had one.


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22 Oct 2010, 6:21 am

hale_bopp wrote:
From your posts OP you seem lower functioning (More autistic) than the average person here. I can only judge from your posts.



Which is probably true.



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22 Oct 2010, 6:30 am

I'd rather celebrate my differences than be cured. There are more important things to life than trying to be exactly like everybody else. I've learned to adapt with what I have. If I were to become cured and NT, I'd have to adapt to life all over again. That is not something that I want for myself. There are some people who just aren't meant to be exactly like everybody else. I'm one of those people. I choose to celebrate that and embrace my differences. If people can't accept us the way that we are, than that's their loss. Asperger's is not a disease or an illness. You can't cure something that's not a disease or an illness. The people who call autism of any sort an illness is living in the past, and they should really wake up and get with the times. This is coming from someone who loves the 60s - that anyone who sees autism as an illness or a life sentence should get with the times. I feel that everybody's differences should be celebrated and that ASDs are not terminal illnesses that need to be cured. It's 2010, not 1940.


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22 Oct 2010, 7:17 am

Aspergers is the new black, buy back in before everyone wants some



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22 Oct 2010, 7:18 am

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Aspergers is the new black, buy back in before everyone wants some


I plan to cash in with my new book, "How To Be An Aspie", at all good bookstores :lol:



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22 Oct 2010, 8:54 am

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I'd rather celebrate my differences than be cured. There are more important things to life than trying to be exactly like everybody else. I've learned to adapt with what I have. If I were to become cured and NT, I'd have to adapt to life all over again. That is not something that I want for myself. There are some people who just aren't meant to be exactly like everybody else. I'm one of those people. I choose to celebrate that and embrace my differences. If people can't accept us the way that we are, than that's their loss. Asperger's is not a disease or an illness. You can't cure something that's not a disease or an illness. The people who call autism of any sort an illness is living in the past, and they should really wake up and get with the times. This is coming from someone who loves the 60s - that anyone who sees autism as an illness or a life sentence should get with the times. I feel that everybody's differences should be celebrated and that ASDs are not terminal illnesses that need to be cured. It's 2010, not 1940.

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22 Oct 2010, 9:15 am

Generally I can fake it enough to get by or just to see a bit 'odd' or 'shy' but if I do it too much it makes me meltdown worse



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22 Oct 2010, 11:28 am

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"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do."


Is someone here about to change the prevailing bias of everyone on the planet? That's a lot of crazy. And remember ol' Jesus? Don't wanna end up like him, do you? jst kidding =)



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22 Oct 2010, 11:33 am

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Is someone here about to change the prevailing bias of everyone on the planet?


Why the hell not? All they need is to get enough of a voice, and in these days of digital media, it's easy to gain a massive online following to get a message across. If it gets big enough, it will pick up attention from the mainstream news outlets and you'll get your message to the world. It's not crazy, it's not impossible, and it's something we should all be doing.

Stand up for what you believe in, make sure people hear it, and make people listen.



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22 Oct 2010, 1:01 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Why the hell not? All they need is to get enough of a voice, and in these days of digital media, it's easy to gain a massive online following to get a message across. If it gets big enough, it will pick up attention from the mainstream news outlets and you'll get your message to the world. It's not crazy, it's not impossible, and it's something we should all be doing.

Stand up for what you believe in, make sure people hear it, and make people listen.


I agree with your intentions - and I do not want to imply that we should not all be trying to do what you suggest - but I would add a few thoughts, in the hope they might make us all able to do so a bit more effectively.

First, if it were that easy to gain a massive online following, a lot more people would be getting rich that way. If you have the ability to gain such a following, by all means use it, but if you don't even changing one or two, or five or ten, minds can make a difference. Perhaps one of those people will later gain a large following, and pass on the lessons they learned from you. So don't give up if you can't get a large following, just do whatever you are able to do. Together, our efforts can add up.

Second, if you try to "make people listen", they will resent your message instead of embracing it. We each need to find ways to state our beliefs that will make them attractive to our audience.


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22 Oct 2010, 1:08 pm

theWanderer wrote:
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Why the hell not? All they need is to get enough of a voice, and in these days of digital media, it's easy to gain a massive online following to get a message across. If it gets big enough, it will pick up attention from the mainstream news outlets and you'll get your message to the world. It's not crazy, it's not impossible, and it's something we should all be doing.

Stand up for what you believe in, make sure people hear it, and make people listen.


I agree with your intentions - and I do not want to imply that we should not all be trying to do what you suggest - but I would add a few thoughts, in the hope they might make us all able to do so a bit more effectively.

First, if it were that easy to gain a massive online following, a lot more people would be getting rich that way. If you have the ability to gain such a following, by all means use it, but if you don't even changing one or two, or five or ten, minds can make a difference. Perhaps one of those people will later gain a large following, and pass on the lessons they learned from you. So don't give up if you can't get a large following, just do whatever you are able to do. Together, our efforts can add up.

Second, if you try to "make people listen", they will resent your message instead of embracing it. We each need to find ways to state our beliefs that will make them attractive to our audience.


People have made quite a bit of money from doing just that. Look at the celebrities who got popular online then picked up by a record label because they became viral. This is the type of effect we need.

By make people listen, I didn't mean to sound forceful; I agree with you that we need to make our beliefs attractive to the audience.



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22 Oct 2010, 1:21 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
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why would anyone want to NOT have aspergers?


Exactly, this is the question we need to answer.


Because the grass looks greener on the other side.

I think if i could turn autistic i would enjoy it a lot now that i wouldn't have that envy for the things NTs can do. I would make the best of it with the confidence that my life is not inferior to anyone else's.

If we all were allowed three lifes, one as autistic, then reincarnate as NT and then you get to choose what to be your final life, i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people choose autistic.


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