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04 Nov 2010, 2:35 am

Things have got much better for me in the teeth department since I got electric toothbrushes that go for 2 minutes so I know to keep brushing until it buzzes, I use that morning and night properly and no fillings in 6 years, I highly recommend this cheap form of insurance.



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04 Nov 2010, 4:08 am

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I also heard that the rise of C-sections is due to the increasing maternal obesity, which makes natural birth more difficult/dangerous? Do you know about this?


Yes, if you are out of shape it is more difficult (may take you longer to birth) but not more dangerous - our bodies were made for it . . . but if you are taking too long they may want the room for another lucritive C-section so they will try to hurry things up. The truth is that pitocin (drug that speeds contractions) makes the contractions more intense and more painfull - causes the baby to come faster (increasing the risk of tearing) and from there the list of interventions comes with mounting "risks" where as if they had let the woman do her thing in good time thos "risks" would not come into play. Many of the interventions increase your risks and make necissary further interventions - this quickly snowballs into a c-section and you're out the door sooner. Though you may have recieved a pain killer while in labour when that wears off mothers apparently from what I have read and from talking to midwives, suffer more pain after labour and longer healing time - but once you're out the door that's your problem.

Natural child birth does hurt alot but nature also gives you some good drugs to cope with it and the pain of child birth is quickly forgotten - major abdominal surgery may take weeks to recover from and your body has no natural coping for that so the woman suffers additionally and alone while recovering from major surgery and trying to care for a new baby.



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04 Nov 2010, 5:20 am

ninszot wrote:
ThomasL wrote:
I also heard that the rise of C-sections is due to the increasing maternal obesity, which makes natural birth more difficult/dangerous? Do you know about this?


Yes, if you are out of shape it is more difficult (may take you longer to birth) but not more dangerous - our bodies were made for it . . . but if you are taking too long they may want the room for another lucritive C-section so they will try to hurry things up. The truth is that pitocin (drug that speeds contractions) makes the contractions more intense and more painfull - causes the baby to come faster (increasing the risk of tearing) and from there the list of interventions comes with mounting "risks" where as if they had let the woman do her thing in good time thos "risks" would not come into play. Many of the interventions increase your risks and make necissary further interventions - this quickly snowballs into a c-section and you're out the door sooner. Though you may have recieved a pain killer while in labour when that wears off mothers apparently from what I have read and from talking to midwives, suffer more pain after labour and longer healing time - but once you're out the door that's your problem.

Natural child birth does hurt alot but nature also gives you some good drugs to cope with it and the pain of child birth is quickly forgotten - major abdominal surgery may take weeks to recover from and your body has no natural coping for that so the woman suffers additionally and alone while recovering from major surgery and trying to care for a new baby.


Thanks so much for replying and explaining. The whole thing just disgusts me. People are treated like animals, and you know how we treat animals (OK, farm animals, not pets). Shouldn't things be done the most natural, wholesome, healthy way? No, apparently not - EVERYTHING has to be about maximizing profit. I don't get it.

Profit is fine, but government needs to channel profits to those who are genuinely making a better society, by inventing a new technology or creating a new business that actually improves life for human beings. Instead, we let all kinds of devious stuff go on in the marketplace, basically smart people just figuring out how to screw everybody else. On Wall St. ("how can we steal whatever money the peasants have been able to save up and put in a retirement fund, home equity, etc."?), on Madison Ave. (i.e., the advertising industry - "how can we get the peasants to buy crap that they don't need and won't improve their lives in any way, shape or form?"), the food industry ("how can we make people fat and addicted to junk food that we can produce cheaply but sell at a huge markup because people are addicted to it?"), the pharmaceutical industry ("how can we maximize profits by "treating" people over extended periods of time rather than "curing" them?), etc.. It's not right, and it's going to hurt us in the long run.

Honestly, wouldn't people be better off just giving birth at home, with a midwife and no medication? That's how we did it for hundreds of thousands of years, and it's how animals do it even now. And I heard somewhere that the natural position for giving birth is squatting, not lying on your back. Well damn... that just makes sense, doesn't it? Why not use gravity to help the process? And something about giving birth into water?



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13 Nov 2011, 1:24 pm

I can tell you from experience that we have the ability to be our own doctor. And we can be a much better one than a certified one. You need to realize that there are only a handful of true doctors in the whole world today. In the old days there was no man-made medicine. It all came from nature and much of it still does. But drug companies concentrate this stuff and alter it genetically to manipulate and stimulate. We ultimately end up fixing one thing and breaking another. And it all gets promoted with lies.

"But pills cured my cancer!". People typically have a good experience with medicine and then praise it to high heavens. But they ignore the reality that medicine causes more sickness and deaths in the world than it helps people. Drug companies keep money aside for class action lawsuits. They profit 100 billion a year. Get sued. Lose 10 billion. So what? They don't care.

The Internet is your friend. It can tell the the TRUTH about a lot of things if you look hard enough and use common sense. There are loads of books and information from around the world. America was once a bubble. The Internet changed that. Now you can look beyond the american fog machine and see many truths that the rest of the world has known for centuries. There are many many natural ingredients in the world that can help an illness or even cure it. You may have to change your entire lifestyle to accomodate it. But being well requires that you live well. Most americans don't want this. The lazy people want to abuse their bodies and expect a miracle in a bottle that works in 7 days or less. That's foolish and contributes to the evil of drug companies. So every time you accommodate your doctor, you are contributing to the sickness and death of many. We should all be turning our backs on the doctors and drug companies in order to help ourselves. We don't need so many drugs. We don't need so many doctors. Nor lawyers. Etc etc etc. We all have the power to turn away. If everyone turned away for a week, a lot would change. But the division that has become embedded in society belief system has created "individuals". Even under a single family roof you know have a man, woman, a child, child, child. You don't have a community. You have a house full of "selves".

I can personally say from my own experiences over the years that I rarely if ever go to see a doctor. There are times when my wife tells me I need to go. But I know better. I have been studying illness for a long time. Sometimes you gotta let something just simply "go away". Sometimes you go on a fasting diet or bump up protein levels and eliminate sugar. Sugar is the leading cause of cancer and many illnesses, including viruses. Knock on wood, I am rarely ill. I began diagnosing and helping my family for quite some time. You don't need a degree to be a doctor. Well, er, you need to one to be the kind that rarely helps anyone. But a real doctor has no degree.

This kind of thinking goes beyond just doctoring. ALL food in supermarkets are poison. When they remove produce from shelves for "e-coli" and such, it is really because of GMO. They tamper with the foods and find out there were some dangers. They will not publicly blame GMO because it would send the whole population toward organic growing. This leads me to the point. GROW YOUR OWN FOOD. If you stick with heirloom verieties in food to grow. Raise chickens to kill. Raise cows to kill. Become self sufficient. Eliminate supermarkets. YOur health will automatically improve 1000%. You don't realize how much poison is in ALL supermarket foods.

Be your own doctor. Be your own food supplier.

Fifteen years ago I had bad experiences with auto mechanics that would fix a problem and create another to get repeat business. This is typical unethical practice of all garages. Well, also, all businesses in general. Anyway, having a car fixed is outrageous. So I learned how to fix cars myself, and overhaul transmissions. My car hasn't been in a garage for well over 10 years. I buy mine used and fix anything that needs fixing. My investment and experience is much better than the typical fool that sells their soul to buy a new car. No offense, But its true.

Be your own doctor. Be your own food supplier. Fix your own car!

How much money do you think you would save! How much better would your overall life become? And you would be able to pass these blessings onto someone else as well.

Our culture is overly dependent and WEAK. The corporations own us all if we give them our money. We work for them. They pay us. We turn around and hand it back. What do we end up with? Poor health and anger towards each other. We neglect our kids and set them in front of the evil television. We have reduced ourselves to nothing.

But you can change it right now.



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14 Nov 2011, 10:52 am

I live in London so I don't have to pay for healthcare (National Health Service pays for it all). I don't even pay for fillings at the dentist because I am on income support benefits.

But anyway....I've had three unnecessary fillings and now I refuse to go to the dentist, because, even though the government pays for my fillings, I don't want them!

I never go to my local GP surgery because they are all useless there.

But my consultant psychiatrist (on the NHS) is fantastic, and so is my haematologist.

I am still irate about the cost of glasses though...I have to buy a new pair once or twice a year (because my sight degenerates as I grow older), and so far I've had 23 pairs of glasses, I dread to think about how much that cost my dad (I can't afford to buy them myself)!


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14 Nov 2011, 11:27 am

Several years ago I had the dental clinic at a local hospital tell me I needed 11 fillings. I never bothered to go back and get them because I don't have any insurance and can't afford that. I never even paid the bills from them pulling 6 teeth. I've never had any fillings or had my teeth cleaned in my life. I'm surprised my teeth aren't just horrible. I know of this girl that is over 10 years younger than me and her teeth are so rotten and bad that she looks like a meth addict.



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14 Nov 2011, 12:55 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
I live in London so I don't have to pay for healthcare (National Health Service pays for it all). I don't even pay for fillings at the dentist because I am on income support benefits.

But anyway....I've had three unnecessary fillings and now I refuse to go to the dentist, because, even though the government pays for my fillings, I don't want them!

I never go to my local GP surgery because they are all useless there.

But my consultant psychiatrist (on the NHS) is fantastic, and so is my haematologist.

I am still irate about the cost of glasses though...I have to buy a new pair once or twice a year (because my sight degenerates as I grow older), and so far I've had 23 pairs of glasses, I dread to think about how much that cost my dad (I can't afford to buy them myself)!

I went to the dentist for the first time in 20 years and discovered that my teeth were fine but needed quite a bit of scraping and cleaning. And that I should buy an electric toothbrush. Total cost £80, private. Of course she's got a pretty good idea of who she can sell film star quality tooth whitening to, and that it isn't me. I suspect there has been far more corruption and unnecessary work in the past in the NHS, maybe there still is. I'm also keen to avoid refined sugars, sodas and similar substances.

I've not seen a GP in 20 years and have disappeared myself from the system. And I think it's safer if it stays like that.

I don't stress about the cost of glasses, because they are far, far better now than when the NHS had a monopoly. At my last exam my prescription was reduced and my vision improved noticeably. That shouldn't be happening at my age, but I don't think I'll complain.