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Absolute assumption presented as fact. You don't "know" that EFT's efficacy is down to the placebo effect, you simply assume so, and claim it as fact. You have no experience of EFT and have no idea whatsoever if doubting EFT actually reduces it's efficacy, you simply claim so, as fact. This is a far from a logical, rational, unbiased position as is possible and is wholly "unscientific" in it's approach. It's simple prejudice and presumption. If you're an Aspie then you belie the Aspie stereotype of a objective, logical thinker.



How come EFT is condemned by the uninformed and inexperienced? What you call "getting a pass" is simply maintaining an open mind. And you are raising more of your own straw men, wrongly claiming that the EFT community "says it can fix everything". This error of yours has already been pointed out to you but you insist on repeating it, which demonstrates it is less of an error and more of a deliberate distortion. EFT has not been demonstrated to be "quackery" worthy of being "pounced on and trashed". This is simply the opinion you prefer and choose to present as if it were fact.



You're not showing "caution", you're demonstrating prejudice. You have already made up your mind and are condemning without any direct experience or evidence. And your bias is demonstrated in your inconsistency: therapies which you heard about on the internet (which you then presume must be internet based) - you claim are suspect largely because you found them on the internet, yet opinions dismissive of EFT - which you also found on the internet - you somehow accept as authoritative. You claim great significance in the amount of Google "returns" you say you got, but you can't have it both ways. Either the internet is unreliable or an authority. Which is it? Seems like it's either trustworthy or a scam ridden cesspool of deception depending on whether or not it suits your argument.

Also, you're not being entirely honest. A Google search of "EFT" does not give "scam" (or any variation on this theme) as the "majority of the top returns", as you claimed, as anyone who cares to Google it will see. Perhaps what you really Googled was "EFT Scam" and got exactly what you asked for: validation of your bias by seeking pages written by like minds.



You've demonstrated a distinct lack of objectivity from the very first comment you made in this thread. Anything and everything can be "thrown into question", but condemning or rendering judgement inconsistently and from a position of ignorance and inexperience is, at best, unhelpful. What evidence are you saying that we are ignoring? There is a great deal of evidence that hundreds of thousand of people find EFT extremely helpful in dealing with all sorts of problems. There is abundant evidence that EFT is safe, painless, effective and free. So what is your problem? Where is the supposed "scam" and the danger?

The fact that mainstream science may not yet have explained to it's own satisfaction exactly how and WHY EFT works - beyond theorizing ( and that is all it is, a theory) - that it's effects may be due to the placebo effect in no way changes people's positive and often remarkable direct personal experiences with EFT. The mantra "There is no presently no generally accepted scientific explanation for how EFT works, therefore it does not work, except perhaps minimally by placebo effect" is ridiculous and irrelevant in the face of such personal experience.

Things happen whether or not science presently accepts that they do or can explain how they do. History is full of examples of mankind healing themselves in various ways thousands of years before western medicine was able to accept that they did so and later explain how and why. The Universe is not waiting with baited breath on the pronouncements of the 'Pontifs' of the Scientific Establishment before putting the various effects of it's natural forces into operation. And if everyone waited on such pronouncements before open-mindedly trying anything then no discoveries or new learning could take place. There would, for instance, be no aviation:

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." -- Lord Kelvin, Physicist and President of the Royal Society

And while we're evaluating this dismissive (pre)judgment of such an "eminent" man of science regarding things about which he evidently knew very little, let's consider the past ridiculous comments of a few other such luminaries, safe in the knowledge that such dismissive cynicism could never be displayed within the scientific community today (sarcsm alert):


"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction". -- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.1895).

"Space travel is bunk." -- Sir Harold Spencer Jones, Astronomer Royal of Britain, 1957, two weeks before the launch of Sputnik

"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon". -- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon- Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873

"Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances." -- Dr. Lee De Forest, inventor of the Audion tube and a father of radio, 25 February, 1967.


Anyway, I think I need to nip my participation in this discussion in the bud now as it could rapidly become an all consuming mini "special interest" for me unless I bow out now. LOL. Pseudo-skepticism is a particular bugbear of mine and I've had many protracted internet debates about it. That is really what I am discussing here, rather than EFT. We see things and think very differently but I don't think any minds are going to be changed here. So, I'll leave it there.

Apologies to the OP if I served to derail the thread.

Last edited by Maolcolm on 10 Nov 2010, 6:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Show me evidence that EFT is not junk science.

I can show evidence that it is.

Simple as that.

Please demonstrate that EFT does not work and that the hundreds of thousands of people who have benefitted greatly from it (including those very skeptical of it) must be "wrong" and that they actually received no benefit, or far less benefit than they report.

Then demonstrate why others should not try this simple, safe, free technique for themselves.

If you cannot do so then please tell me what your definition of "junk science" is and how it has any relevance to this discussion.

What legitimate meaning is there is referring to an evidently highly effective technique as "junk science"?

I'd suggest there is none.


PS. Regarding scientific evidence of EFT's efficacy with regard to phobias, see the research of Steve Wells, published 2003 in the:

Journal of Clinical Psychology

Evidence from clinical trials carried out at the over 14 years involving 29,000 patients:

Energy Psychology: Theory, Indications, Evidence by Joaquin Andrede, M.D. and David Feinstein, Ph. D.

See also:

Research and Resources in Energy Psychology

Research in Energy Psychology. Fred P. Gallo. Ph. D.

There is little funding for such trials so there are relatively few of them because the technique cannot be turned into a profitable enterprise for corporations, hence there is no return on the 'investment' of funding trials, unlike those for drugs. Thus, there is also little motivation for the medical community to take an interest in EFT. 'Medicine' is a business and to imagine that this consideration does not heavily influence attitudes to EFT within the 'Establishment' would be naive in the extreme.

Malcolm, don't let him wind you up. He is just here to deny any rational argument simply because he cannot change and cannot accept that anything could be wrong with him. He despises any cure because that would suggest he was not perfect. No interest in finding the truth, bring right and being wrong wherever appropriate, simply always being right so the ego can feel secure. Ego is always to do with the fear of death. Anything such as the need to be right in an arguement is caused by it. We don't need to proove EFT is going to help, he can wave his ticket to emotional freedom goodbye. But I don't believe we should stamp on even the smallest steps of progress. Even self criticism is due to someone trying to escape from this mindset.

If someone won't see sense all you can do is ignore them. Then when something goes significantly wrong in their life then they may try to think differently. I've always been open minded, always searching for the cure. So when I found what worked I tried to tell everyone about it. Of course not everyone accepted it.

LOL. I suspect we were both winding each other up. But we are now happily chattering about how weird and wonderful the Universe is on another thread, so there's no harm done. I suspect we both enjoy a vigorous debate.

But it would be nice if this thread lead to a few more Aspies giving EFT a try. It seems to work particularly well on phobias and anxiety and that is something many Aspies have real trouble with.

Let us know how your future EFT experiments go.