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07 Dec 2010, 6:31 am

This is not meant to be a religious thread. We respect everyone's right to feel religious but I personally don't like to have someone's religious tome quoted in a secular discussion thread. Please stop giving religious responses to non-religious questions.

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07 Dec 2010, 9:17 am

bee33 wrote:

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My psychiatrist thought that I should consider her an authority figure, but I didn't at all, because she had no power. And I didn't look up to her because I knew she could be wrong and that I always had to trust myself more than I trusted her. In fact, I considered her my employee, since I paid her and she was working supposedly for my benefit.

Did she actually say that to you? I've been in the role of the difficult patient myself.
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She did say that. I wasn't a difficult patient, just wary. But I told her flat out that I didn't think there was such a thing as authority, only coercion.

There is of course another meaning of the word authority, and that is when someone is an authority on a given subject because they are particularly knowledgeable about that subject. I recognize and respect that.

Looks like I'm even "worse" than you for not recognising authority then. I don't even take much heed of authorities on subjects........I'll listen to some extent, but unless I''ve seen for myself that they know what they're talking about, I won't necessarily believe a word of their teachings.

I'm not blind to authority, though I think I've handled the concept by seeing it as power, like some others here. I'm never comfortable with people who seem to have more power than I have. I'll do quite a lot to appease them, and I'll avoid challenging them or letting them know that I don't approve of their behaviour, and I hate doing all that, but so does (practically) everybody else, and I have to be practical. Luckily as I get near to retirement my employer's grip on me is weakening, as I get closer and closer to being able to walk away from the job without fear of poverty. There's nobody else with so much power as the employer.....just the occasional city council tinpot or policeman, and the odd bully, but I don't meet many of those any more, and they don't pervade my life as completely as the bosses do.

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07 Dec 2010, 10:51 am

MollyTroubletail wrote:

Seconded

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07 Dec 2010, 10:51 am

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When I was a little kid I thought God was the greatest authority and power. I was scared crapless of God. God basically demanded of his chosen subjects that they not worship other Gods or God will destroy them brutally. The thought of possibly making some mistake with the consequences of being tortured in Hell for eternity was scary. Living all of eternity in Hell is about the worst possible torture I could think of. It seemed disproportional to living a short life of human sin:

You've illustrated perfectly one of the most common reasons people misunderstand Christ. You see, God isn't some invisible bogie man looking to smite you for the first thing you do wrong. If you really read the Bible you'd see that the "get out of Hell free card" is absolutely free for anyone who wants it. Nobody goes to hell accidentally. So your childhood fear is unjustified by the text - and more justified by some jerk religious teacher who told you a lie about how it all works. Blame them, not God.

For more info don't ask me I'm not interested in the debate. Just read here:
http://carm.org/apologetics/evidence-an ... nyone-hell

A careful reading of the Bible has indicated that no one will be sent to hell b/c we are already here. All the bruhaha about hell in the Bible refers to THE RAVINE OF HINNOM and confusion with the Greek Hades. Conversely, the Kingdom of Heaven is within us (and that is where we will find it) - which echos the beliefs of most major religions.

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07 Dec 2010, 10:57 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:

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Seconded

Life happens - and sometimes out of neat little boxes.....whatchu gonna do?

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07 Dec 2010, 11:21 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:

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Seconded

Threads are regularly subjected to side bars and sometimes outright hijacks. Calling out this tendency only in instances of religious comments is the height of hypocrisy.

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07 Dec 2010, 11:24 am

I believe the words "please" and "respect" were used. Do I understand you correctly that only your opinions are worthy of being expressed? Nobody has the same right to ask that the conversation not trend in that direction as you do to trend it that way? Where is the hypocrisy?

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07 Dec 2010, 11:26 am

Awiddershinlife wrote:

MidlifeAspie wrote:

MollyTroubletail wrote:

Seconded

Life happens - and sometimes out of neat little boxes.....whatchu gonna do?

Tell you to shut up, and if that doesn't work, ignore you....plus maybe a word in a moderator's ear about deliberately posting off topic? I'm with MollyTroubletail and MidlifeAspie on this one - anybody wanting to argue about religion can always start a thread about that.

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07 Dec 2010, 11:34 am

ToughDiamond wrote:

Awiddershinlife wrote:

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MollyTroubletail wrote:

Seconded

Life happens - and sometimes out of neat little boxes.....whatchu gonna do?

And you have never once replied off topic in a thread.

Hypocrite. Anti-religious bigotry is bigotry still.

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07 Dec 2010, 12:09 pm

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And you have never once replied off topic in a thread.

Maybe I have, but never wilfully. There's a difference between accidentally drifting and deliberately sabre-rattling - "whatchu gonna do?"

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Hypocrite.

Hurling abuse will get you nowhere. Same as arguing about religion.

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07 Dec 2010, 12:29 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:

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And you have never once replied off topic in a thread.

Maybe I have, but never wilfully. There's a difference between accidentally drifting and deliberately sabre-rattling - "whatchu gonna do?"

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Hypocrite.

Hurling abuse will get you nowhere. Same as arguing about religion.

isn't this a thread about authority? i guess it's not about what the off topic is about, just that this off topic seems verrryyyyy far away from the original topic, and shouldn't the conversation go back to topic, and people that are off topic just apologise and move on instead of getting all worked up? after all they ARE off topic...right?

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07 Dec 2010, 1:01 pm

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I speak to my boss or to a famous person the same as I would speak to a dirty homeless person on the street. I don't emotionally identify "importance levels" between people. I seem to feel that everyone is equal.

OMG I am excited to hear these words. I don't feel it either on any level. I don't feel anyone has any dominion over anyone. The truth, what is right and what is wrong, stands on its own. I'm grateful for this because I would miss the brilliance that sometimes comes from a surprise package. Everyone every minute of this existence is just as important as everyone else.

I should add it has had a devastating effect on my life. I used to look at my parents and think "why do they get to make the rules, they are miserable people."Same with school, work, bosses..."Evaluate me? you don't even know me or watched me long enough to have an opinion." Who cares if you think I did well or awful. I know if I did the best job I could and I also know if it is awesome or it sucks. Why recognize anything, the recognition doesn't make my accomplishment better or more complete. I got what I should get from it already. I don't have any idea why anyone wants to live in any facades.

There is a part of me that is afraid to say anything too strong toward the religious zealots. If by chance they could be right and God controls this universe, everything is a lesson, then this entity is crueler than I have the capacity to comprehend. The free will argument is just lame, a truth cannot be both true and false.

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07 Dec 2010, 1:26 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:

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And you have never once replied off topic in a thread.

Maybe I have, but never wilfully. There's a difference between accidentally drifting and deliberately sabre-rattling - "whatchu gonna do?"

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Hypocrite.

Hurling abuse will get you nowhere. Same as arguing about religion.

It's not abuse when it is true.

Calling out a diversionary reply simply because of your own hostility towards religion is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Off topic posts happen all the time and they rarely get pointed out.

I stand firm. You are being hypocritical. It is not name calling when it is true.

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07 Dec 2010, 1:36 pm

MollyTroubletail wrote:

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Calling out a diversionary reply simply because of your own hostility towards religion is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Off topic posts happen all the time and they rarely get pointed out.

What part of this exactly do you feel is "hostility towards religion"?

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07 Dec 2010, 2:07 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

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What part of this exactly do you feel is "hostility towards religion"?

Since it has been pointed out that this is turning into a thread hijack, I shall cease and desist.

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07 Dec 2010, 5:03 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:

Since it has been pointed out that this is turning into a thread hijack, I shall cease and desist.

Sorry, couldn't help it

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