Study of fluid intelligence in autism spectrum disorders

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16 Dec 2010, 12:37 pm

claudia wrote:
You made me curious to take the test.
I scored in the average (between 70 and 95). I'm an NT and I was considered a gifted one as a student.
Fluid intelligence is important but it isn't all, other things are important as self confidence and stress resisitance. You can have achievements in your life even if you are not a genius.
This is the issue with you: you was requested to show you're not ret*d since you were children. I was supposed to be smart without evidences.
That's not a good way to educated individuals.
My son is autistic and he is only 3 years old. He just started to be tested and he will go on for years. I don't know how to avoid him to loose his self-esteem.
I mean that if people shows to think you're ret*d you will think the same.

claudia, supposedly NT's score in the same percentile on a standard IQ test as on the raven's, it's only auties that show the large discrepancies. also, where did you score in the average, on the raven's? and between 70 and 95th percentile? that is between high average to high intelligence..) average range is between 25th and 75th percentile.



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16 Dec 2010, 3:40 pm

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claudia wrote:
You made me curious to take the test.
I scored in the average (between 70 and 95). I'm an NT and I was considered a gifted one as a student.
Fluid intelligence is important but it isn't all, other things are important as self confidence and stress resisitance. You can have achievements in your life even if you are not a genius.
This is the issue with you: you was requested to show you're not ret*d since you were children. I was supposed to be smart without evidences.
That's not a good way to educated individuals.
My son is autistic and he is only 3 years old. He just started to be tested and he will go on for years. I don't know how to avoid him to loose his self-esteem.
I mean that if people shows to think you're ret*d you will think the same.

claudia, supposedly NT's score in the same percentile on a standard IQ test as on the raven's, it's only auties that show the large discrepancies. also, where did you score in the average, on the raven's? and between 70 and 95th percentile? that is between high average to high intelligence..) average range is between 25th and 75th percentile.

In your version of the test I score above the average.
Nombre: claudia
Edad: 35
Respuestas correctas: 52/60
Percentil: 90
Cociente Intelectual: Superior al término medio
Rango: II+
IQ: 125
I think it will be different if I try again...



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16 Dec 2010, 10:29 pm

So if I scored in the 95th percentile in a official Raven test and at the 91th percentile in the matrice of the WAIS, but lower in every other tests except for a few 91th percentiles. (Overall, 82th percentile Verbal IQ, 61th percentile Perfomance IQ, 77th percentile Global)
What do this mean? It's not Iike I would got difficulty with verbal instructions...
It is my Raven score who is overinflated by famillarity and some special autists faculty for it, or is the other scores are low because of some deficiency?
What is my real intelligence? :?


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16 Dec 2010, 10:33 pm

Tollorin wrote:
So if I scored in the 95th percentile in a official Raven test and at the 91th percentile in the matrice of the WAIS, but lower in every other tests except for a few 91th percentiles. (Overall, 82th percentile Verbal IQ, 61th percentile Perfomance IQ, 77th percentile Global)
What do this mean? It's not Iike I would got difficulty with verbal instructions...
It is my Raven score who is overinflated by famillarity and some special autists faculty for it, or is the other scores are low because of some deficiency?
What is my real intelligence? :?


Your real intelligence is indicated by your continued questions. A less intelligent person would not even notice the inconsistencies.

But do you really need a number on it?


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16 Dec 2010, 11:30 pm

Respuestas correctas: 47/60
Percentil: 50
Cociente Intelectual: Término medio
Rango: III
IQ: 102

On a regular test my IQ is 96. Does this mean I'm not autistic?



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16 Dec 2010, 11:33 pm

buryuntime wrote:
Respuestas correctas: 47/60
Percentil: 50
Cociente Intelectual: Término medio
Rango: III
IQ: 102

On a regular test my IQ is 96. Does this mean I'm not autistic?


No. It means that you didn't follow the most common pattern. Not all autistics score higher on the Raven's Matrices test. Just many of them.


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17 Dec 2010, 7:05 am

Indeed, it is not an absolute trend. Btw, i think this percentile scoring of this test is based on an old norming not taking into account the steady rise of IQ and intelligence scores every decade.. i found a more recent estimate where only scores 50 or above are even 50th percentile for the average senior high school year student.. it seems 46 is the cut-off point for 25th percentile among that group.



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17 Dec 2010, 7:47 am

Well, I guess it show I'm not gifted...
Do you get a link for this estimate...


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01 Jul 2011, 9:17 am

Yes, I do recall reading a study that people with HFA/AS are better than NTs when it comes to the "Block Design" and "Raven's Matrices" subtests of the WAIS - III or WAIS - IV IQ tests.

In fact I did exceptionally well in both of those subtests, although for some bizarre reason my Perceptual Reasoning Index (which includes those 2 subtests) was lower than my Verbal Comprehension Index... :?



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01 Jul 2011, 10:06 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
DevilInside wrote:
Has anyone here taken the Raven's Progressive Matrices? and what were your results?


I did poorly on the one online test I found. About 25 points lower than my formally tested composite IQ. I think I may have a co-morbid learning disability that effects symbolic processing and short term working memory. It's something I plan on bringing up with my psychologist.


Are you referring to iqtest.dk? That test is normed on the online population which ends up artificially depressing the average IQ somewhere between 15 and 20 points since online test takers are self-selected and tend to be smarter than the average bear.

Also, fluid intelligence isn't the same as the construct measured by the composite IQ of any IQ test (Besides the matrix-esque tests like Raven's and TONI's). In fact, many researchers consider the WAIS as primarily a test of crystallized intelligence though it does tap fluid intelligence as well (Crystallized intelligence has a high correlation with fluid intelligence, so it's pretty inevitable.). Also, the correlation between different IQ test regimes is usually somewhere in the .7-.8 area, so there's going to be some variation between test scores in different tests. As ones IQ test score goes up, this variation tends to be more pronounced.

(IQ tests were one of my 2-year long special interests while I was a Freshman at college, along with my persisting psychometric testing interest which has currently shifted to autism testing.)



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01 Jul 2011, 11:49 am

I have no fluid intelligence I do however have crystallized ingelligence(accumulated knowledge)...and I can critically think but probably slower then some. I think its because I tend to have so much going on in my mind its a bit difficult to concentrate on one thing so I am slower at it.