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What % of autism would you guess you are?
100% - Never was alive just was a concept. 20%  20%  [ 6 ]
50% - Different and aware of differences. 67%  67%  [ 20 ]
1% - Total Bliss Unaware of Autism. 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
0% - You do not have autism. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 30

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29 Jan 2011, 5:12 pm

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A constructive adaptive behavior considered constructive for one may not be constructive for another, and may indeed have direct negative or positive consequences for others, intended or not intended.

But, who is to say that a constructive adaptive behavior is not necessary or ill-advised for the person that initiated it.

Who would suffer more if the adaptive behavior in question was eliminated? Can we measure this?

Are the "ill" advised constructive adaptative behaviors in question part of a game, intended or not?


It's ill if manipulation is used socially like ASAN has to make those who oppose even those with autism simply detractors and they make compassion into pity and while using these tactics. People can choose anything but when advanced manipulation is used there is a need to neutralize it. I feel I am doing a good job at balancing things out and see others are not falling for the tricks either.

Enough said.


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29 Jan 2011, 5:23 pm

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As a concept in day-to-day life it's the thing that unites us. ("Us" here including only those of us who are actually on the spectrum. I do NOT include parents, friends or relatives. Some people like to define the "autism community" as parents united by their hatred of their children, but I don't.)

Who am I as a person? Too hard to sum up. I am DandelionFireworks.


Flower child they just need a bigger dose of reality which they share with others. Hatred is a strong word but it does not mean they right for saying it. I think thats the wrong approach. Autism is not a community in of itself but as a frame of reference the concept of autism can be amongst those who convene and call it whatever they want I suppose. For me I am member of my local community which includes people with autism as well. Online chit chat seems to be relevant discussion.


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29 Jan 2011, 5:31 pm

just when i thought the political forum on this website couldnt get more rediculous,im once again proven wrong.i think there giving out to much medical marajuana in your home states



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29 Jan 2011, 5:33 pm

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just when i thought the political forum on this website couldnt get more rediculous,im once again proven wrong.i think there giving out to much medical marajuana in your home states


This conversation has nothing to do with pot heads. I do have a pot head candle though which is a negative stereotype as a funny. The idea was to stir the image (idea) of autism within those that partake in it on a daily basis. To me it leads to at times irrational conclusions of the world around people and really absurd politics. Perhaps you have proven to be a republican?

Autism social philosophy akin to conceptological pot smoking? heh


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29 Jan 2011, 6:12 pm

A little too much sun out there in left field? :scratch:


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29 Jan 2011, 6:19 pm

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A little too much sun out there in left field? :scratch:


The town where I live "sunny fortuna" has allot of conservative base to it. Up the road and down the road a little are towns known for hippie folk. I'm just a yuppie wanna be watching the baseball game with the cheapest tickets I can get. That means I may be seeing from the left or the right and even the center at times.


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29 Jan 2011, 6:25 pm

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How much autism are you?

Comparative Statements:

1. How much blue is light blue and how much blue is dark blue?

Light blue is blue with a lighter color mixed in, a color like white, while dark blue is a blue with a darker color mixed in, a color like black.

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2. If each genetic component of autism made up part of the total genetics of a human being with autism does it make up the entire being just as part of a genetic coding of an apple core that makes up an apple the total apple?

Not the eyes of the being, nor the fingers, nor the hair follicles. Just the parts of the being affected by the genes that are affected.

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3. Does autism make an entity entirely different and separate from an alien and if an alien is green and other aliens gray and all humans black to peach and all shaded in-between.

Not if the alien has autism, too :wink:
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4. If melting water coming from the mountains from melting snow makes a lake is autism like the lake, the snow and earth which forms it's body like autism to the human body?

Could be comparable. The lake needs the planet to exist. Without the planet, could there ever be a lake?

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5. Is a person in a wheelchair not a person but a wheelchair and the broken spine? Should you remove the spine and the wheels of the chair is it humane? However if you fix the spine and remove the chair is there still a person?

Wheelchair is more like the horse, person in the wheelchair, the rider of the horse. Or a car. The wheelchair is the car, the person in the wheelchair, the driver. Could be a skateboard or roller blades. Maybe, a pair of skis.

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If you cannot function but do not want to function then do not function. If you function differently but are forced to function differently don't function. Should you refuse to allow another person to function and choose for them you should be shunned. If the stubbornness in you to see yourself in others in their choices and attempt to prevent theirs as if it's ok you suffer from an illusion as others perceive god is.

Of cure, treatments and human rights.

Everyone is free to decide their own destiny. Their own fate.



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29 Jan 2011, 6:41 pm

ci wrote:
aghogday wrote:
A constructive adaptive behavior considered constructive for one may not be constructive for another, and may indeed have direct negative or positive consequences for others, intended or not intended.

But, who is to say that a constructive adaptive behavior is not necessary or ill-advised for the person that initiated it.

Who would suffer more if the adaptive behavior in question was eliminated? Can we measure this?

Are the "ill" advised constructive adaptative behaviors in question part of a game, intended or not?


It's ill if manipulation is used socially like ASAN has to make those who oppose even those with autism simply detractors and they make compassion into pity and while using these tactics. People can choose anything but when advanced manipulation is used there is a need to neutralize it. I feel I am doing a good job at balancing things out and see others are not falling for the tricks either.

:arrow: Enough said.


Don't forget the 1st Ammendment. 8)

This is what I thought you meant by game over, perhaps clarification for others.



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29 Jan 2011, 7:00 pm

Autism is an abstraction. The only real thing is the person. Autism is an idea formed in the minds of medical people (and now others) about a specific, large, diverse group of people. Each person is considered autistic for different reasons. But autism like most abstractions is less substantial than wisps of cloud. It's not a thing like a brain tumor is a thing. Asking how much autism is like asking how many angels can dance on a pinhead.


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29 Jan 2011, 7:02 pm

Game over because cure politics least in the middle cannot lose according to the law no matter how much others free speech try to take improvements away with political games. Thats what I said dignity does not supersede the right to treatment or the pursuit of treatment. Maybe they will stop harassing treatment development awareness with the abortion I mean they mean not abortion but really selective abortion politics but not abortion at all just women right to know so to prevent selective abortion and whatever else they come up with as a word game with scape goat. I like cats not goats..

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29 Jan 2011, 8:39 pm

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However if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it fall does it make a sounds.

No. Sound is the name for our ears' acknowledgment of a vibration in the air. The falling tree would make a vibration, but not a sound.



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29 Jan 2011, 10:03 pm

Correct. I've said the same thing. So therefore we are correct. Because I said so. :lol:


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29 Jan 2011, 10:38 pm

I like cats too.



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29 Jan 2011, 11:23 pm

anbuend wrote:
Autism is an abstraction. The only real thing is the person. Autism is an idea formed in the minds of medical people (and now others) about a specific, large, diverse group of people. Each person is considered autistic for different reasons. But autism like most abstractions is less substantial than wisps of cloud. It's not a thing like a brain tumor is a thing. Asking how much autism is like asking how many angels can dance on a pinhead.


That's what I was trying to say, dunno if I got it across.


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29 Jan 2011, 11:30 pm

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The abstract while can lead to understanding cannot always lead to absolute. By law autism is a disability and the less of it you have the less substantially disabled you are and the more you have the more profound the disability. I believe dignity has it's place and I believe the public deserves the truth. The public cannot be forced an extreme truth based on the sole fear of parents to protect their children from their absents in the future or advocates with dignity being the center of the universe. The facts for reasons of hope is that treatments and inclusions are needed for that hope. I wish to say don't stand in the way but in a different way then the I AM Autism video but just as meaningful.

People with autism deserve hope like everyone else.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDdcDlQVYtM[/youtube]


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30 Jan 2011, 12:12 am

As my awareness of autism grows, so does my understanding of the ways in which I am autistic. Does this mean that the parts of me which are autistic grow as my understanding increases (like a zombie that feeds off of high-IQ brains may be more likely to go for the Ph.D students than the kids in community college even though both may have similar IQ capacity but do not apply their intelligence in the same way)?

Or does it mean that my awareness grows and as a result of becoming more aware of that which I am not aware, my anxiety about that awareness grows, while level of autism remains the same as it was before my awareness was sparked? Is anxiety a crucial part of autism or is it a co-existing condition?

If I am a prisoner of my anxiety, does that make it a part of my personality or my personality a part of it? If I experience the same level of anxiety but make desperate attempts to make it seem trivial, is that anxiety then a part of me? Does being able to participate in debate mean that in some way you have already won?

Autism the concept is not all I am. However before my understanding of autism-the-concept, I was similarly attracted to other conceptual ideas as ingredients for my humansoup.


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