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Would you support an autistic town or city?
Yes, and I'd move there 24%  24%  [ 19 ]
Yes, but I wouldn't move there because I don't have the means 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Yes, but I wouldn't move there for some other reason 10%  10%  [ 8 ]
Yes, and I'd become very involved in it 6%  6%  [ 5 ]
I'd have to see the specifics of the city 15%  15%  [ 12 ]
I'd have to see who's running it 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I'd have to think about it 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
I'd have to see if it's working out 6%  6%  [ 5 ]
No 30%  30%  [ 24 ]
Obligatory other option 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 79

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30 Jan 2011, 12:35 am

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But, it should be a city, not a state... Penal and civil code depends on the State, and also vote. And why should LFA be excluded from vote? Disabled people are not excluded from vote. If only normal (or high functioning, pardon) people had to vote... who's completely normal? Few people should vote...


This really depends on where we put the city. It's not going to necessarily be in any country you may be thinking of right now. I'm coming up with a list of countries for an autistic city. I'll be making a post for anyone to add any to the list, and then a poll to see where people would want it to be.

As far as Aspieville... what about HFAs, MFAs, LFAs, and PDD-NOS? :P How about Autieville?


I suggest Fjorldland, New Zealand. It is a highly desolate and cool location.


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30 Jan 2011, 2:32 am

It would be a cool experiment and I'd be curious to see how it works. If it existed in a good location I'd consider living there.



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30 Jan 2011, 2:37 am

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If it existed in a good location I'd consider living there.


Such as Fjordland?


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30 Jan 2011, 3:37 am

I can see many possible benefits. I will only share one.
I know that most of our problems come from growing up and feeling alone. If there was a community, Not necessarily a city or country, which had a concentrated population with people on the autism spectrum who are high functioning... I believe we would be able to help each other.
I can imagine it wouldn't be perfect. there will always be autistic people being born outside and never being able to live there. But it would be nice to have as an option for high functioning autistics.
I am imagining a society for us like there is a society for NT right now. (except NT are messing things up)



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30 Jan 2011, 3:49 am

My hope is that the town would be so great that people would begin to see autism, not as a disability, but as something that could help society. The benefit would not just be for the autistics living in the town, but for all autistics, and even society as a whole.

Maybe then, people would let autistics shift from doing social training to working on their personal strengths and interests.


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30 Jan 2011, 7:14 am

I think it's a bad idea because if you issolate a group of people as different then you could get some people identifying and hating those people. If they're just seem as part of society then they can't be easily identified. I've thought about this a lot as well, it's a natural side-effect of Asperger's. You realise that you are different to this one group of people and all you have to do is surround yourself with them and you'll be able to have a lot of friends and a nice community. But I think somehow it's a bad idea at the moment.



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30 Jan 2011, 8:16 am

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That would be an interesting social experiment, and pretty easy to do. Just like the "Free Staters" are doing(for those who don't know the "Free State" movement is a libertarian movement encouraging mass migration to the state of Vermont in order to change the political climate) a website could be set where Aspies promise to move to a town if enough people agree. Of course just as with the Free State project it could not be legally binding, but the idea would be that enough people would promise so even if some don't make good on it there would be a significant number of people going.

It would be a town run by political junkies. That could be good since the politicians would actually know what they're doing and be less persuaded by special interests. But that could be bad if someone is unwilling to compromise on some "pet policy" they want to push through and it causes gridlock.


The Free State movement is hasn't really worked. Pretty much all of the "Let's move to one area and turn it into a libertarian paradise/theocracy/all-white country" movements are total flops.


Yes, fortunately. But we're talking about a town not a whole state.



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30 Jan 2011, 3:55 pm

DGuru wrote:
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That would be an interesting social experiment, and pretty easy to do. Just like the "Free Staters" are doing(for those who don't know the "Free State" movement is a libertarian movement encouraging mass migration to the state of Vermont in order to change the political climate) a website could be set where Aspies promise to move to a town if enough people agree. Of course just as with the Free State project it could not be legally binding, but the idea would be that enough people would promise so even if some don't make good on it there would be a significant number of people going.

It would be a town run by political junkies. That could be good since the politicians would actually know what they're doing and be less persuaded by special interests. But that could be bad if someone is unwilling to compromise on some "pet policy" they want to push through and it causes gridlock.


The Free State movement is hasn't really worked. Pretty much all of the "Let's move to one area and turn it into a libertarian paradise/theocracy/all-white country" movements are total flops.


Yes, fortunately. But we're talking about a town not a whole state.


It still probably wouldn't work for a town. Not everybody has the means or motivation to do so. And I was talking about areas, which would also include towns.

Segregating ourselves from NT society isn't going to do anything.


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30 Jan 2011, 4:31 pm

I agree that segregation is bad. But I think the main reason for having the town is to get rid of the psychological torture we endure by being surrounded by NT's. If we can somehow manage to do so without segregation then the same aims have been achieved.



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30 Jan 2011, 5:13 pm

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Certainly not. It would be separating people from society for merely have a disorder. Frankly, I consider it to be a ludicrous concept.


Me too.


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30 Jan 2011, 5:21 pm

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I agree that segregation is bad. But I think the main reason for having the town is to get rid of the psychological torture we endure by being surrounded by NT's. If we can somehow manage to do so without segregation then the same aims have been achieved.


The whole point of the town would be to get to the point where society as a whole accepts us as we are, thus truly integrating autistics into society. Remember, we're looking at a fairly low population relative to the number of autistics out there. We wouldn't be completely segregating ourselves. Instead, we'd be partially segregating to show that we don't need NTs carrying us (something NTs seem to think is true).


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30 Jan 2011, 5:25 pm

No. It would be utterly boring.



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30 Jan 2011, 5:33 pm

I seem to be agreeing with you MrLooney. Now IMO
A lot of people on this board seem to be thinking that separating because of our disorder is a bad step. People think it is bad because of what has happened with minorities in the past... I think the difference is that... even though those minorities looked different, they are inherently similar; but we look the same but are psychologically different.



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30 Jan 2011, 5:35 pm

I'm beginning to see that a lot of people are misunderstanding the concept and how it would work. I guess in order to help people understand the town and its purpose, I'm going to have to explain it in detail.

I'm not going to right now. First, because we're on the (edit: Fourth) page of comments with 44 votes, so 1. People will not read it and 2. People who would vote a different way after seeing the specifics have already voted.

A lot of the specifics still need to be worked out (such as location, for example), but enough of the details of what an autistic town would need to be like (at least to start out) are known to me that I could post a fairly long explanation about it.


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30 Jan 2011, 5:39 pm

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I agree that segregation is bad. But I think the main reason for having the town is to get rid of the psychological torture we endure by being surrounded by NT's. If we can somehow manage to do so without segregation then the same aims have been achieved.


Look up the neurodiversity movement. An autistic town would still have problems; they'd just be slightly different.


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30 Jan 2011, 5:40 pm

It is okay. I find that misconceptions are generally from lack of information regarding the topic. If the entire subject is not explained thoroughly then a new person with a different view is more likely to disagree. (does this even make sense?)

but yes do explain better later.


edit: I will look at the neurodiversity movement.