Should persons with Asperger's consume Cannabis?

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Should persons with Asperger's consume Cannabis?
Yes. Make is legal for everyone. 66%  66%  [ 104 ]
Yes. If you obtain a prescription from a doctor. 13%  13%  [ 20 ]
No. It should be illegal for everyone. 8%  8%  [ 12 ]
No. But make it legal for people with terminal cancer and similar conditions. 13%  13%  [ 21 ]
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26 Feb 2011, 4:24 pm

They're many way to remove the smoke, vaporisation, direct ingestion, water bong also help diminsh the quantity and temperature of the smoke.

I know some people might get allergic reaction to cannabis, but again, that might be related to other things in the joint or in the way the weed was grown.

eddie82, I live in Quebec, Canada. It's the most "socialist" province of Canada. Cannabis smoking everywhere is not accepted in Canada, but in Quebec, I can smoke pot in front of my school, close to police, or in the street. It's a widely accepted drug by most people here. You won't get arrested because you smoke pot, but you will if you roll a joint in a public place! Even then, I saw some guy rolling a joint on a table at a restaurant, or in the subway,... It's not like Amsterdam here, but close! Btw, cannabis is the only drug accpeted this way here!



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26 Feb 2011, 4:24 pm

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why have you lumped in whether it should be legal with whether specific groups should consume it? Maybe I should answer the first option because I think it should be legal for everyone... but maybe I should answer one of the latter two, because I think people with autism shouldn't use it.

There's a difference between thinking something should be legal and thinking a certain subset of people should do something.

So, if I don't really think anyone should use it, why do I think it should be legal? Because it's addictive. Addicts, by definition, don't have the ability to not buy a product. So in that case, anything can be done to it so long as it satisfies their fix. Now THAT is a nice issue for the government to regulate. Also, for addicts who want to get clean, it's important to be able to admit they have a problem. If they can land in jail for that, they can't complete the twelve steps. And I wouldn't know, but it stands to reason that there's surely price gouging-- or even just this stuff becoming more expensive because of hardships in transporting it. Probably both. And the costs being passed on to people who by definition are stuck and have little or no recourse. And if it's illegal, by definition the only people who can sell it are criminals. ONLY criminals allowed to sell to people who can't refuse the sale? Seriously, does that make sense to you?

So. Government regulation of quality and price (inasmuch as such a product can be said to have quality, but if it only poisons you with what you were buying rather than anything else...), but legalize it.

But as to any individual deciding whether or not to smoke it, the answer is probably that they shouldn't. But then, they shouldn't drink, either, but we don't make that illegal.


Cannabis is actually one of the least addictive drugs out there...


Thank you. I didn't know that. I'm afraid I have not studied the effects or the addictiveness of all of the street drugs available. I don't even know all of the words for pot.

In that case, why is everyone worried? It's some not-very-addictive thing that makes people hungry and spacey and there's a war against it?


There is a lot of mis-information about cannabis out there.......overexaggerations of the facts and sometimes straight up lies. So that has some to do with why a lot of people freak out about it and think its some horrible substance. I cannot tell people what to think however......But I recommend people do as much research as they can on a topic like this before deciding what they think. For me it kind of comes naturally to research things.....I don't even like to form opinions until after I have done a lot of research.


Exactly. I find it ridiculous how there are so many people who demonize cannabis, which CAN'T KILL YOU, yet they think that the common prescription drugs like Zoloft and Seroquel, which are potentially deadly and extremely difficult to quit, are just plain gosh darn hunky dory since they're legal.



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26 Feb 2011, 4:24 pm

Well, a few people have brought up some points about Cannabis that I would like to address:

Cannabis in public: Already there are anti-smoking laws in public places. Additionally, as Cannabis is more like Alcohol in relation to Cigarettes, it should be held to the same public use standards as alcohol. As well as legalization leading to non-combustible methods of consumption possibly being more commonplace as widespread legal research is done into it

Cannabis smoke vs Cigarette smoke: I smoked for a while, cigarettes that is, and also cannabis. I quit smoking tobacco many years ago but still smoke Cannabis, and my lung capacity has improved. Basically I feel like a non-smoker now. I find reports saying that 1 joint is like 20 cigarettes or whatever to be highly exaggerated or just plain lies, as my own experience with it at least illustrates to me that though smoking is the least-efficient method it is not as bad as tobacco smoke

Cannabis as medicine: I don't know how I would be able to cope with migraines without it.


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26 Feb 2011, 4:25 pm

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eddie82, I live in Quebec, Canada. It's the most "socialist" province of Canada. Cannabis smoking everywhere is not accepted in Canada, but in Quebec, I can smoke pot in front of my school, close to police, or in the street. It's a widely accepted drug by most people here. You won't get arrested because you smoke pot, but you will if you roll a joint in a public place! Even then, I saw some guy rolling a joint on a table at a restaurant, or in the subway,... It's not like Amsterdam here, but close! Btw, cannabis is the only drug accpeted this way here!


Hey fellow Quebecer! :D

You're totally right, our cannabis culture is quite open here


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26 Feb 2011, 4:31 pm

I go in a Montreal University, I also had a student work at the Notre-Dame CHUM (Montreal hospital center) and I talked to some physicist and other people who worked with patient in fMRI (functionnal magnetic resonace imaging) that benefits from cannabis usage. So the research have been blocked for several years because of prohibition, but it come back as a more popular research domain for many kind of health issues



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26 Feb 2011, 4:33 pm

eddie82, I live in Quebec, Canada. It's the most "socialist" province of Canada. Cannabis smoking everywhere is not accepted in Canada, but in Quebec, I can smoke pot in front of my school, close to police, or in the street. It's a widely accepted drug by most people here. You won't get arrested because you smoke pot, but you will if you roll a joint in a public place! Even then, I saw some guy rolling a joint on a table at a restaurant, or in the subway,... It's not like Amsterdam here, but close! Btw, cannabis is the only drug accpeted this way here![/quote]

Believe me, I would love to see it legalized. My point was, to the person with an apparent phobia of smoke, that I wouldn't expect to see people smoking in public places (at least not in the U.S.).


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26 Feb 2011, 4:36 pm

JSMC wrote:
They're many way to remove the smoke, vaporisation, direct ingestion, water bong also help diminsh the quantity and temperature of the smoke.

I know some people might get allergic reaction to cannabis, but again, that might be related to other things in the joint or in the way the weed was grown.

eddie82, I live in Quebec, Canada. It's the most "socialist" province of Canada. Cannabis smoking everywhere is not accepted in Canada, but in Quebec, I can smoke pot in front of my school, close to police, or in the street. It's a widely accepted drug by most people here. You won't get arrested because you smoke pot, but you will if you roll a joint in a public place! Even then, I saw some guy rolling a joint on a table at a restaurant, or in the subway,... It's not like Amsterdam here, but close! Btw, cannabis is the only drug accpeted this way here!

Smokers around here light up a joint.



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26 Feb 2011, 4:56 pm

I'm more easy going and being are more comfortable around me when I smoke pot. Hell yes people with autism should get high.

I refuse to get high when I'm stressed or having a meltdown though.... maybe xanax for that.



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26 Feb 2011, 5:02 pm

I am not anti-medical marijuana, BUT...

It can be dangerous to smoke it, if you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. I know that there are studies indicating that autism and schizophrenia are two sides of the same genetic coin, and I know that some people with AS do go on to develop schizophrenia later in life.

It may not be very likely, but I would be cautious.



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26 Feb 2011, 6:12 pm

MotownDangerPants wrote:
I am not anti-medical marijuana, BUT...

It can be dangerous to smoke it, if you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. I know that there are studies indicating that autism and schizophrenia are two sides of the same genetic coin, and I know that some people with AS do go on to develop schizophrenia later in life.

It may not be very likely, but I would be cautious.


This seems to be the undead vampire of anti-cannabis propaganda! Most people are confused about this one.

1) There is a correlation between cannabis usage and psychosis / schizophrenia.
2) Correlation does not imply cause.
3) Well designed studies which compare diagnosis rates across populations where cannabis use is known to have increased dramatically have only ever shown no change or a drop in diagnosis rates.
4) Which would imply that people are self-medicating.
5) THC can be administered in high doses to produce 'psychotic symptoms' which are temporary.
6) CBD can be administered in high doses to neutralise 'THC psychosis'.
7) Psychiatric professionals recommend that the users themselves are best placed to judge whether or not to continue use of cannabis when experiencing symptoms.
8) There are many well documented cases of psychosis occurring as a result of abrupt cannabis use cessation. Enforced cessation can cause psychosis and medical professionals are well aware of this.

FACT: Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

I will be happy to dig out the links to all the research for this stuff if anyone really needs to see it but it's all on the facebook page anyway.



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26 Feb 2011, 6:49 pm

Should persons with Aspergers use cannabis? Absolutely! But ONLY if they like it or it helps them, just like anyone else, and not when or where it would bother others. It is NOT addictive. It helps many people. If it were completely legal and taxed our state probably wouldn't be going down the financial rat hole. It was made illegal purely for economic reasons in US in 1937 because hemp production competed with the wood pulp industry and all the negative hype was made up to justify it. Great book called "The Emperor Has No Clothes" details history (may be out of print).
BTW, cigarettes are so dangerous and linked to lung cancer because they contain polonium 210, a hideous radioactive substance associated with the fertilizers used by tobacco companies and the fact that the tobacco plant is good at absorbing polonium. There are a couple of US universities that have posted studies on this and the cover up by tobacco companies on the subject. Just surf "polonium and tobacco" to read all about it.



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26 Feb 2011, 6:50 pm

In my opinion, the only reason people have for smoking this crap is that it's a social counter-culture thing. They do it because it's illegal and because the people they percive as "cool" are doing it.



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26 Feb 2011, 6:54 pm

CannabisForAutism wrote:
MotownDangerPants wrote:
I am not anti-medical marijuana, BUT...

It can be dangerous to smoke it, if you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. I know that there are studies indicating that autism and schizophrenia are two sides of the same genetic coin, and I know that some people with AS do go on to develop schizophrenia later in life.

It may not be very likely, but I would be cautious.


This seems to be the undead vampire of anti-cannabis propaganda! Most people are confused about this one.

1) There is a correlation between cannabis usage and psychosis / schizophrenia.
2) Correlation does not imply cause.
3) Well designed studies which compare diagnosis rates across populations where cannabis use is known to have increased dramatically have only ever shown no change or a drop in diagnosis rates.
4) Which would imply that people are self-medicating.
5) THC can be administered in high doses to produce 'psychotic symptoms' which are temporary.
6) CBD can be administered in high doses to neutralise 'THC psychosis'.
7) Psychiatric professionals recommend that the users themselves are best placed to judge whether or not to continue use of cannabis when experiencing symptoms.
8) There are many well documented cases of psychosis occurring as a result of abrupt cannabis use cessation. Enforced cessation can cause psychosis and medical professionals are well aware of this.

FACT: Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

I will be happy to dig out the links to all the research for this stuff if anyone really needs to see it but it's all on the facebook page anyway.


No, lol. i don't need links.

I don't follow this stuff closely but I did a lot of digging around in the past, and for *me* personally, the studies are frightening.

My dad is schizophrenic, as well as my aunt. I don't have an agenda and really don't care what anyone else does to their own well-being, but for me, I would be cautious. I've smoked a ton of the stuff in the past, and done a lot of psychedelic drugs. I can tell you that some of those drugs have definitely had lasting effects.



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26 Feb 2011, 6:59 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
In my opinion, the only reason people have for smoking this crap is that it's a social counter-culture thing. They do it because it's illegal and because the people they percive as "cool" are doing it.


Definitely not my reason.



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26 Feb 2011, 7:04 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
In my opinion, the only reason people have for smoking this crap is that it's a social counter-culture thing. They do it because it's illegal and because the people they percive as "cool" are doing it.


:lol:

I'm with you. I think one reason that I am anti-drug to this day is as a response to peer pressure in my youth. I was impervious to it. That they tried at all was just comical to me. I wasnt like them at all so why would I want to emulate them or listen to their suggestions? I hesitate to take a tylenol.

I tried a number of things in college, including lsd, but that was curiosity and it wasnt repeated. And given my experience with pot, I suspect it might not be helpful for executive function issues. But others may have different experiences.



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26 Feb 2011, 7:05 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
In my opinion, the only reason people have for smoking this crap is that it's a social counter-culture thing. They do it because it's illegal and because the people they percive as "cool" are doing it.


Well, that may be your opinion, but it is wrong in my case. I haven't smoked for a while, but when I did it wasn't to be "cool." It was because it makes me feel good, calms me down, inspires me artistically, and generally takes the edge off life and helps me appreciate things more. It should never have been made illegal in the first place, making so many people criminals who aren't and shouldn't be classified as such if smoking pot is the worst thing they do.

That said, I must make clear that I don't advise anyone to try it if they haven't already, or to smoke it every day if they have. However, if you are going to do any recreational drug (including coffee, alcohol or tobacco), cannabis is one of the safest and in some cases has health benefits.

I have never given a crap what other people think of who I am or what I do. I make my own choices for myself based on what information I have, my intelligence, and my experience. Even when little I made my own path through life rather than following the herd.

In addition to being by far the safest recreational substance known to man, cannabis has many important medical and industrial uses. It is great for food, fuel, paper, cloth and medicine. In many cases it is one of the best substances known for those applications.

I wrote a song in 1990 about this called Legalize


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