A possible Autism cure that I saw on TV

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I already responded to your post. I just cannot stand rude comments when I have no rude or troll intent. I also cannot stand repeating myself to people who did not read the whole thread and miss my point. I made this thread to see what other people think of this. I am not a sick crazy scientist. I am not going to condition people. This is something I saw on the news.

Could I please have 1 snide remark, wave?
Now that I have proven you wrong, electroshock must be the right way to go. Be right back....
Owww....

Big Brother's tentacles are extending as always.

Personally, I missed that, so it wasn't at all part of why I disagreed with your idea of a "cure" for autism.

Was it a news story about the Judge Rotenberg Center? That is literally the only place I know of that would conform to your post.

Upthread I also did a point-by-point discussion of the non-shock interventions you brought up.

You posted about it, and said "But I might have seen this to be a possible effective treatment. ".

You responded to my posts? Must have missed it.

Like.

I didn't read the original post, but I assumed it was going to be a joke. An autism cure on TV? If I have to explain why that's ridiculous...I won't go there. You can't cure autism any more than you can cure narcissism.

Snivy please keep your post count low and just leave if you cannot take people taking apart a post that involves the mental torture of children who are not old enough to go to school yet. I have read your entire post and that is why I do not like you or what you posted.

I remember being in second grade I had a teacher who said my rocking made her nervous and it made me look crazy so she decided to "break me" of the habbit. She used peer pressure, humilation, and loud nosies to get me to quit. She would wait for me to start rocking and she would smash a huge hard bound dictionary on my desk scaring the s**t out of me. She broke me of my rocking but as a 40 year old adult I still feel guilty if I lean foward to move a chair closer to the table, I hate sitting in rocking chairs, and hate to hear the laughter of children thanks to the teacher thought my rocking was crazy looking. It is pretty much the same techniques that you wrote in your original post. I was not cured of my autism I was recondtioned not to rock. With reconditioning you create tons of damage to a persons mental health and well being. Its no way to train a human being to behave correctly to blend in better with the NTs

that will surely never work.if anything it would backfire

Since when has brainwashing people to be 'normal' ever worked out the way it's supposed to, especially with children?

To use a quote to sum up my feelings on brainwashing and extreme CBT:

"Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that."

I have no idea where you read that, but I have never, even once, heard of a military that conditions their soldiers to kill women and children, or civilians in general.

BTW, I've had formal behavior mod using aversives. It doesn't cure autism. At "best" (if you can call it good, and I don't) it conditions you to behave against what your neurology requires of you. Generally, after awhile doing this, you reach a point where you can't go counter to your neurology anymore and you snap. It's also hugely traumatic and disturbing and all kinds of other things. Neither ethical nor effective. Seriously, this sort of thing has been known and done since the sixties. It didn't cure autism then and it doesn't cure autism now. There is nothing new about this. There is plenty of information showing that children heavily conditioned (with or without aversives) to behave like nonautistic children, even if they are so-called "successful" when they do that, have serious problems when they hit puberty and more is required of them than they are capable of doing. See, they're still autistic inside. They still perceive the world in an autistic way, they still think in an autistic way, they still function best in an autistic way. (That's why these cosmetic cures don't work. Autistic people function best in ways that work with autism not against it. These "therapies" are just like a steamroller over the top of who you are. They don't "work", they just provide superficial "benefits" and then they go away. They're bad. Really bad. In the long run. The best way to deal with an autistic child is to use their autistic traits for their benefit and not try to simply train them out of expressing those traits. Behavior mod does not "rewire their brains in an NT way" at all. This whole idea is ridiculous.)

I'm going to be all black and white thinky here:

There is no way to be neutral about this kind of treatment. If you're neutral, then you passively condone torturing children for the sake of compliance and conformity. There is exactly one ethical stance to take regarding JRC's methods (and the methods described in the OP): Opposition. No other stance can possibly be ethical.

This isn't a cure, it's a way to train children (through painful aversive punishments) to pretend to be neurotypical. It's a way to force children to hide who they are, but it does not change the underlying neurology. This can't work in the long term, and causes far more problems for the children than it could allegedly solve. I say allegedly because it does not actually solve anything, and the things it sets out to solve either do not need to be solved or can be dealt with in humane ways.

Someone beat me to it, but there's nothing new about those ideas.

I've always wondered why those methods aren't used more broadly,  say, with people with Parkinson's or severe arthritis.  

If only a person with Parkinson's were educated about how normal people walk, and if they were shocked (or given an m&m or whatever) when they shuffled or moved slowly, they'd be as good as cured.

Similarly, the main symptom of arthritis is complaining about pain.  So if you behavior-modded people out of that behavior,  then they'd be normal.  Right?

So ends my modest proposal.

Despite all the fancy language and academic research and such,  I think it's simply a case of... ugh,  can't think of how to put it ATM,  but an attitude of arrogance (but much worse), failure of empathy, and... I don't know what.  

It reminds me of a story I heard about a psychiatrist who did horrible experiments on people.  His idea was that he could blast away a person's personality (with extreme ECT, and other things) in order to reduce them to a 'blank slate,' so that he could then build a new, healthy personality for the person.

What hubris makes someone think that they can create people like that,  as if they were god? (Or, similarly, that they have a right to destroy who someone is.)

I'm not explaining my thought too well,  but the "behavior mod to normality" stuff seems to me like a version of the same thing.

the above threw my mind in dr mengele's direction.
kinda the same thing just with physical instead of mental states.
altough he probably dabbled in that as well.

there really are(were) some scary people about.