Aspergers sex ratio
Chronos wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
We need to establish a few fundamentals here...
If girls with low functioning autism are not being diagnosed then what are they being classified as
Secondly if girls are not necessarily higher on the spectrum but boys are reported at higher rates then why are parents neglecting their low functioning daughters?
I don't buy neglect of girls in a western country.
If girls with low functioning autism are not being diagnosed then what are they being classified as
Secondly if girls are not necessarily higher on the spectrum but boys are reported at higher rates then why are parents neglecting their low functioning daughters?
I don't buy neglect of girls in a western country.
We are not talking about low functioning autism. We are talking about Asperger's Syndrome.
Sorry dude,
I'm interested in the genetics of the spectrum ratio, we know that all humans have exactly the same DNA but that some chunks of DNA are switched of or amplified via the non coding regulatory regions in people with ASD. add to this now the dimension of x and y chromosome and you have the possibility of a sex linked genetic link. Could some of the overshooting or switched off genes be on y chromosome?
If the answer is yes then the sex linked genes may have implication for AS/HFA as well as ASD people. Where you are on the spectrum makes no difference as there is going to be gender differences. If on the other hand it's a x chromosome difference then perhaps you do have a possibility of non gender related genetic control and the 4:1 ratio may be harder to justify.
This issue crosses all parts of the spectrum as the genes impacted to produce autism are likely to be similar for low functioning and aspergers/HFA, except maybe more genes are switched of for lower functioning kids? I'm in guesswork mode at this point in connecting these principles to the supposed gender ratios for autism.
cyberdad wrote:
Chronos wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
We need to establish a few fundamentals here...
If girls with low functioning autism are not being diagnosed then what are they being classified as
Secondly if girls are not necessarily higher on the spectrum but boys are reported at higher rates then why are parents neglecting their low functioning daughters?
I don't buy neglect of girls in a western country.
If girls with low functioning autism are not being diagnosed then what are they being classified as
Secondly if girls are not necessarily higher on the spectrum but boys are reported at higher rates then why are parents neglecting their low functioning daughters?
I don't buy neglect of girls in a western country.
We are not talking about low functioning autism. We are talking about Asperger's Syndrome.
Sorry dude,
I'm interested in the genetics of the spectrum ratio, we know that all humans have exactly the same DNA but that some chunks of DNA are switched of or amplified via the non coding regulatory regions in people with ASD. add to this now the dimension of x and y chromosome and you have the possibility of a sex linked genetic link. Could some of the overshooting or switched off genes be on y chromosome?
If the answer is yes then the sex linked genes may have implication for AS/HFA as well as ASD people. Where you are on the spectrum makes no difference as there is going to be gender differences. If on the other hand it's a x chromosome difference then perhaps you do have a possibility of non gender related genetic control and the 4:1 ratio may be harder to justify.
This issue crosses all parts of the spectrum as the genes impacted to produce autism are likely to be similar for low functioning and aspergers/HFA, except maybe more genes are switched of for lower functioning kids? I'm in guesswork mode at this point in connecting these principles to the supposed gender ratios for autism.
There have been a number of studies which have identified genes which may be associated with ASDs. Some of them are sex linked and some of them aren't. The sex linked ones are usually also associated with mental retardation.
If my AS is genetic, I don't believe it to be sex linked. There are others in my family on the spectrum, related to me through my mother's father. One of them is a female with HFA who had language delays but functions well as an adult, the other is a male whom I know little about other than what my great grandmother has told me.
I will say I do differ from most females with AS in that as a child, I presented no differently than the males, and perhaps I was actually more "severe" because they figured I was on the spectrum before AS even existed in English language medical literature. I don't understand the complexities of most female to female interactions and my thought process and abilities are more similar to that of males. I navigate like a male, relying on a general sense of north,, west, east and south rather than landmarks (I used to have a fixation with maps so that might have something to do with it), am mechanically inclined, am in a technical, male dominated field, and so on, yet as far as I know, I have two functioning X chromosomes.
I'm not claiming that there are an equal number of females with AS as there are males, I am just claiming that there are more females than people think.
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The sex ratio ... is greatly modified by cognitive impairment: it may be close to 2:1 with mental retardation... (Wikipedia)
I didn't read the whole PDF. It refers to a publication so I can't check what exactly that means. In this case, does low IQ equal LFA? Is the cut-off point 70? Is high-functioning then above 70 and does it include AS, or is it equal to AS? Or did they simply gather people with an ASD diagnosis, measure IQ and then do the math?
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Including suspected and possible Asperger syndrome cases ... the male:female ratio dropped to 2.3:1. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8294522?dopt=Abstract)
So can we make the conclusion that the actual spectrum-wide gender ratio could be around 2:1?
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Most men actually have pretty high standards for women as far as dating goes, physically and socially, and most women on the spectrum just don't meet these standards.
It's ok if a man is a bit socially or emotionally oblivious, distant or cold in a relationship, but women have to be warm and out going in the context of the relationship.
The undesirable woman is usually characterized by a drab, emotionally lacking librarian, which epitomizes a lot of women on the spectrum.
It's ok if a man is a bit socially or emotionally oblivious, distant or cold in a relationship, but women have to be warm and out going in the context of the relationship.
The undesirable woman is usually characterized by a drab, emotionally lacking librarian, which epitomizes a lot of women on the spectrum.
Ahh man thats so true. I think all around women are expected to be at least warm, caring and sweet in general. Outgoing...some girls I know are not outgoing are doing just fine. They have the more girl next door appeal. People like that too. However if u come across as some cold, distant, aloof girl, people will just think your weird maybe bitchy...who knows?
Ok face it, for most aspies of either gender its hard to find a significant other. I just see how the aspie guys are and how many of the NT girls are. After reading numerous complaints in the Love and Dating section about how many aspie males not having much luck in finding some1. It sounds pretty damn hard...cause personally being an aspie girl I find it hard to deal with girls at times with the amount of drama, hurt feelings, sensativities. NT girls are extremely judging in guys, not wanting to attract the creepy guys. I can imagine some aspie guys can easily come across as creeps.
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Including suspected and possible Asperger syndrome cases ... the male:female ratio dropped to 2.3:1. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8294 ... t=Abstract)
So can we make the conclusion that the actual spectrum-wide gender ratio could be around 2:1?
So can we make the conclusion that the actual spectrum-wide gender ratio could be around 2:1?
There talking suspected as in we dont have any actual legit data. Many experts are constantly making predictions all over the place. For girls with aspergers its anywhere from 4:1 to 1:1. I have yet to find some good numbers for strictly lower functioning autistic girls.