The future of Autisim!

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Coming from someone who is wrong as much as you are in this post, your judgemental confidence seems comical.

Your statements here are not reasonable or accurate. Many have linked to sources which show that somewhere between 75% - 90% of all people with Asperger's never hold a "real" job. A significant percentage of those who do work are unable to build a career, or get a job that pays a living wage. This is far different from employment stats for the general population. AS has a very high correlation with "failure." Saying it is merely an excuse does not make sense - especially when you are speaking of an "excuse" that didn't exist until many older folks had already "failed."




I do agree that people reading this shouldn't feel that they are "broken," but I don't see people here as trying to make others think they are victims.



True, but . . . usually accompanied by executive dysfunction which makes it very difficult, at best, to complete a task in a reasonable amount of time.

FALSE. Sensory issues are common but not required, so no. Also, for those who have issues, could just as easily be less sensitive.

Generally true - although not diagnostically required, so no guarantee that a given person will have this ability.

FALSE. Sensory issues are common but not required, so no. Also, for those who have issues, could just as easily be less sensitive.

FALSE. Sensory issues are common but not required, so no. Also, for those who have issues, could just as easily be less sensitive.

FALSE. Sensory issues are common but not required, so no. Also, for those who have issues, could just as easily be less sensitive.

Technically true, but unimportant. Since the diagnostic criteria require "average or above" intelligence, the Bell curve for IQ is shifted slightly for Aspies. From what I have read (sorry, no cites) the "average" aspie is about 7 - 10 IQ points higher than the "average" person. This is NOT a significant difference. Also, there is very little correlation between high IQ and real-world success



Perhaps you thought you were posting to the Autism Speaks message board? WP is mostly populated by folks who endorse the idea of neurodiversity - that ASDs are differences not disabilities. Recognizing that one's mind works differently is not the same as saying that it works incorrectly, nor is it saying that one cannot succeed because of it. To the contrary, recognizing these differences is essential if one is to take advantage of its strengths and find work-arounds for its deficits.

Gideon, your "understanding" of Aspeger's is extremely misguided and warped.

Was that for me?
What, deluded for not seeking disability payments? Hah, that's almost comical considering what you'd posted earlier.
Or delusional and in error for being interested in Asperger's?
Neither makes much sense, TBH.

Gideon - I'm glad that your experience with Asperger's hasn't hindered you in any way. I'm glad you are a functioning part fo society and only see benefits in challenges that NT's just don't understand.

Applying your experiences to everyone with Asperger's - with impunity - is just another negative bias. Asperger's is not a blanket diagnosis. There are wildly differing conditions and levels of affect. someone who has trouble wearing clothes at all because of sensory issues is significantly more disabled than you. Just becasue an Aspie might be brilliant at memorizing train schedules doesn't always mean they have the capacity to pay their bills on time.

People with Asperger's receive enough negative stereotypes from the world at large - coming from one of our own, it kinda stings in a new, unpleasant way.

75-90% never hold a job. Don't make me laugh 75-90% of diagnosed people with Aspergers are children. What a joke, Mark Twain was so right about statistics and the people who quote them.


As I said anyone who is young and diagnosed don't listen to these people who tell you that you are disabled you are not.

So I am the one perpetrating negative stereotypes when I say this is not a disorder and that people should not listen to the myths about Aspergers. Or when I say don't listen to people that call you disabled or wrong or broken.


What a bunch of freaking jokes.


I'm the bad guy. The one that is against someone being labeled a mistake of nature is the bad guy. That is rich.

On the future of autism:

As long as the human brain can be made to malfunction, we will have autism.

Autism can't be eliminated by natural selection. To some degree, it is natural selection in action.

Gideon, you seem extremely confused and angry. Perhaps a break from the ol' computer would do you good?

I am all for advocating for kids - your 100% correct - they can be successful and they need to believe that.
I agree with your view on the statistics.
I agree that labels can be damaging.

I did NOT call you a 'bad guy'.

Others here have pointed out that the things you list as 'positives' aren't necessarily positives in their expression of Asperger's. I think most people are all for those positives your speak of but, at the same time, I think there needs to be some support for those that do not fit into that picture of success you paint. Not ALL kids with Asperger's will succeed. That doesn't mean we should stop trying. It also means that there are more than a few who are already lnog past childhood who have struggled with their AS and do need help.

I just think there needs to a balance of advocacy for both sides. I interpreted your comments as negative towards those facing more challenges than others. Apologies if I read you wrong.

I am angry that people here are whining about being disabled and then whining about a cure. Maybe the whiners need a break. I am quite certain the people that are feeding into the Aspergers is a disorder that needs to be cured crowd that have gathered here need a break.

Gideon, perhaps a nice walk outside would make you feel better.

Maybe a nice kick in the ass will help you out? Wish I could help you with that.

So do you actually enjoy experiencing what you'd described elsewhere, and find it enhances your life?
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3479036 ... t=#3479036

And are you sure about your stance on IQ tests?
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3497739 ... t=#3497739

I agree with this so much.

Autism is nothing new. It has probably been with us as a species right from the beginning. And it is just a difference. I think it's arrogant of us as a species to assume there is only one model of a 'normal' brain.

I'm my little fantasy world - NT brains are the 'hunter/gatherer' brains. These are the populace of human culture - the 'worker bees'. I think those on the spectrum fulfilled the more esoteric roles in society - the shaman, the healer, the artisan, the weaponsmaker, the storyteller... the worker bees support the culture, the other classes enrich it and provide the impetus to propel it forward. All equally important in their roles - all required for the success of our species.

I will take clumsy over being a freaking idiot NT any day of the week. Good trade off in my opinion and I had clumsiness beat by an effort of will before I contracted lyme disease.

As for IQ tests. No they are not a good measure of intelligence but they are all that we currently have as a measuring device however flawed.

Gideon, you are only reinforcing the idea that you are an angry and frustrated person.

Seriously, how about a nice walk outside? I'm sure some fresh air would help you feel better.

You know why don't you go take a walk if you are so concerned maybe you have some kind of emotional hang up. Maybe you need to go sit on a psychiatrists couch for awhile and figure out why you are so emotionally invested in my emotional state. Seems like a pretty bad problem to me. I for one could care less about your emotional state other than you are an annoying git.