How do you feel about gossip?
Verdandi
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Real example:
I am involved with an online community associated with activism. One person who was participating in that community was bullying people directly, as well as using lies and other underhanded tactics to turn people on her declared enemies. A lot of this was behind the scenes, so people were not aware. Or it happened in places a lot of people didn't read. One person I know told me that her partner had engaged this person on a blog about something. This person said "Don't talk to me here, talk to me on my blog." When the partner went to her blog, said person then said "You are stalking me, plus you hate people like me and want to see us all dead." and deleted the partner's comments so she could reframe them in very unfavorable and libelous ways.
Now, my friend told me what had happened.
Was this true? Yes. I was able to confirm it. Was this good? Probably not, but this woman was causing rifts and discord among a lot of people for no apparent reason. She wasn't doing anything good. Was it useful? Yes, because her bullying was obvious to a lot of people, but hardly anyone was talking openly about it, and that open discussion needed to happen. Specifically, talk about how people were allowing bullying and abuse to go unchecked.
Was this really gossip because it was not good?
Heck, it's common where I live that people won't confront you about things that upset them or problems they had, they'll talk about it to their friends and it's generally assumed that the issue will reach you via gossip and small talk indirectly so that no one needs to risk losing face in a confrontation. This is a cultural difference, here if someone's bothered by you leaving your coffee mug on the table after meetings they won't confront you and tell you to your face. Expecting them to will get you absolutely frigging nowhere either since it's going directly against the cultural norm and makes you the aggressive freak who'll walk up to people and get in their face when they did everything right. But if you listen you will hear about it indirectly, and it won't be intended as an attack - at least not initially - just a heads up, and you are of course allowed to use the same channel to pass along your minor issues.
I will not though listen to people shittalk or spread vile lies, I'm interested in how people are doing, what they're up to, but stuff like the earlier mentioned gossiping about whether the man was gay or not - I don't put up with that kind of crap.
Ah, I would much prefer to be told directly than to hear it by way of gossip.. And, here, most of the gossip involves making sh*t up or wildly exaggerating the details or making fun of the person. That is what I have an issue with. But I may be overly sensitive since I have spent most of my life being made fun of and having people make things up behind my back. So when I see it happen to someone else...I get really pissed off. It's wrong, in my opinion.
I'd rather not be told at all, not have them tell anyone else and forget about it.
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What good is that? If someone has an issue with me and it is actually something that I am doing that needs to be changed, I would like to know so that I can work on it.
And, if someone hates me enough to spread completely false rumors, I would like to know that they hate me so that I could avoid contact with them. In the past, people have done this while I remained unaware for months until some rumor drifted in my direction and another person told me of the source. It's rare now, but even in college, while I don't normally INITIATE contact with others, I have had experiences with people talking to me, smiling, and seeming friendly...and then once I am seemingly out of earshot, making fun of me. Just the other day two woman were talking to me and once they'd left the room commented that I sound ret*d and stuck up. Fun stuff... If I'd been made aware that they disliked me...I would not have spoken to them.
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Why should they dislike you in the first place? Think of it this way, if they didn't tell each other they thought you sounded like that, you could be free to walk up to them and talk to them without any fear of them saying something rude when you aren't around.
Wouldn't you really prefer it if those two just stfu about you? I would, and I am not shy about saying it.
blackcat
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Wouldn't you really prefer it if those two just stfu about you? I would, and I am not shy about saying it.
I would prefer that they hadn't said that at all, yes. But I would also like to know WHY they said it. Maybe I DO sound like that? I mean...since the incident, I have asked a couple of friends if I do and they said "no" but...friends, you know...sometimes they like to spare your feelings. I would have preferred, if they HAD to say something about it, that they had said it directly to me so that I could ask questions rather than being seen as an eavesdropper for asking them when they were talking in the hall (perhaps MOST people would not have heard them out there).
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Wouldn't you really prefer it if those two just stfu about you? I would, and I am not shy about saying it.
I would prefer that they hadn't said that at all, yes. But I would also like to know WHY they said it. Maybe I DO sound like that? I mean...since the incident, I have asked a couple of friends if I do and they said "no" but...friends, you know...sometimes they like to spare your feelings. I would have preferred, if they HAD to say something about it, that they had said it directly to me so that I could ask questions rather than being seen as an eavesdropper for asking them when they were talking in the hall (perhaps MOST people would not have heard them out there).
If it was just those two women who said it, you don't sound like that. Those women were being rude and unjust. There's no point in justifying what they said if you don't sound like that. Even if you do, that still doesn't excuse their rudeness. Someone needs to call them on it and tell them to shut their mouths. That's probably the problem. No one has ever told them to do that.
If it's over something lame, I wouldn't even bother and why would telling them change it?
What if someone had a problem with your special interests? What of someone had a problem with you being a alone all the time? What if someone had a problem with a jacket you always wear? What if someone had a problem with you playing your Nintendo DS?
Are these things you would want to change? I wouldn't want to change these about myself. If I was always talking about them, I can change that. If my jacket smelled so that was why they didn't like it, I can change that. If they didn't like the music or the sounds my Nintendo DS made, I can change that. But I will not stop doing them just because someone didn't like it but I will make adjustments.
