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14 May 2011, 5:20 pm

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Now that I think about it, I never use the sidewalks. I always go from point A to B in a straight line. I think you're on to something here. Do NT's really not understand the concept that line C is shorter than the combined lengths of line A and B in a triangle?

I'm wondering if Pythagoras was an aspie. LOL just joking. Even without the Pythagorean Theorem, one could easily figure out that a straight line is the shortest distance.


Walking the shortest distance is not everybody's goal. I enjoy walking. It's fun and good exercise also. I do not try to make my walking experience shorter with shortcuts unless it's raining or very cold. I am well aware that a straight line is the shortest distance between two points but walking a straight line in order to walk the shortest distance isn't something I value.


Everybody who isn't ret*d realises that a straight line is the quickest way from A to B.
As I've already stated, what can be deduced regarding the differnce between aspies and NTs from their ways of negotiating public (assumingly unkept), grass is that one category TENDS to instinctively follow logic by adhering to the shortest route, and the other TENDS to follow social rules (although they don't necessarily aply to the given situation as law) by following the sidewalk. The aspies seem to apply pure utilitarian reason, without thinking about it; whilsts the NTs are doing what seems to be socially acceptable, from pure instinct.

In the above, I am of course assuming that no other factors, like a joy of walking, or a fascination for single-handedly creating pathways through the grass, come into play.



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14 May 2011, 6:01 pm

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Talking on their cell phones while sitting on the toliet.

Seriously....WTF?


I won't mention where I am making this post from then...



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14 May 2011, 6:09 pm

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One interesting behaviour I found was that if there are paved pedestrian pathways, NTs will avoid grassy areas at all costs, even if the pedestrian pathway does not draw a straight line to where you want to go. This is true even when the grass is dry.


That's because tramping through other people's grass is generally a no-no. Even when the grass isn't actually part of someone's lawn, the habit remains.


As long as I am not walking on someone property I take whatever route I feel like whether its the side walk or the grass. I was not aware there was a social rule about walking on public areas of grass. If so it's rather strange lol.



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14 May 2011, 6:19 pm

Ironic, I actually tend to avoid walking on grass in those situations, that doesn't make me an NT does it? :P
I'm not really sure what I find interesting, there's certainly a lot of things I find a little strange, but of course they think the same of us.


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14 May 2011, 6:21 pm

I learned today that NTs often share clothes.


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14 May 2011, 6:21 pm

AldousH wrote:
Janissy wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
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Now that I think about it, I never use the sidewalks. I always go from point A to B in a straight line. I think you're on to something here. Do NT's really not understand the concept that line C is shorter than the combined lengths of line A and B in a triangle?

I'm wondering if Pythagoras was an aspie. LOL just joking. Even without the Pythagorean Theorem, one could easily figure out that a straight line is the shortest distance.


Walking the shortest distance is not everybody's goal. I enjoy walking. It's fun and good exercise also. I do not try to make my walking experience shorter with shortcuts unless it's raining or very cold. I am well aware that a straight line is the shortest distance between two points but walking a straight line in order to walk the shortest distance isn't something I value.


Everybody who isn't ret*d realises that a straight line is the quickest way from A to B.
As I've already stated, what can be deduced regarding the differnce between aspies and NTs from their ways of negotiating public (assumingly unkept), grass is that one category TENDS to instinctively follow logic by adhering to the shortest route, and the other TENDS to follow social rules (although they don't necessarily aply to the given situation as law) by following the sidewalk. The aspies seem to apply pure utilitarian reason, without thinking about it; whilsts the NTs are doing what seems to be socially acceptable, from pure instinct.

In the above, I am of course assuming that no other factors, like a joy of walking, or a fascination for single-handedly creating pathways through the grass, come into play.




The shortest route is the most logical route only when your sole goal is to walk the shortest distance. If walking the shortest possible distance is not your goal, then the shortest route is not the logical choice.



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15 May 2011, 2:07 am

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There's a difference between walking on grass as a shorter distance and walking through someone's property. I was referring specifically to public property.


Which generally tends to be payed for and mantained via tax money, hence "public property." Everybody pays for it; therefore, everyone should be concerned about keeping it nice.


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Everybody who isn't ret*d realises that a straight line is the quickest way from A to B.
As I've already stated, what can be deduced regarding the differnce between aspies and NTs from their ways of negotiating public (assumingly unkept), grass is that one category TENDS to instinctively follow logic by adhering to the shortest route, and the other TENDS to follow social rules (although they don't necessarily aply to the given situation as law) by following the sidewalk. The aspies seem to apply pure utilitarian reason, without thinking about it; whilsts the NTs are doing what seems to be socially acceptable, from pure instinct.

In the above, I am of course assuming that no other factors, like a joy of walking, or a fascination for single-handedly creating pathways through the grass, come into play.


I'm not clear why you're claiming walking through grass as opposed to sidewalks is "logical." To me, it's more logical and correct to walk on paths that are specifically designed for being walked on. I went to a movie last night and there was obviously an aisle left open for people to walk down. It would have been quicker to climb over the seats to get to my chair, but I stuck to the walkway. Also, at Wal-Mart, I always go in the doors that are marked "Entrance" and I go out of doors that are marked "Exit," even though throngs of people seem to just go in and out whatever door they please, which annoys me.

If not climbing over other people's laps in the movie theater, going in the wrong door, and walking in undesignated areas makes me NT....then slap me silly and call me Lady Gaga.

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About the grass treading and sidewalks: Wouldn't Aspies rather stay on the sidewalk obstinately because of their sometimes compulsive rule following?


This.

I don't have a problem walking in areas designated for walking. It's the same principle as not going to the "10 Items or Less" line when you clearly have 12 items in your shopping cart. I find such things sloppy and disruptive.

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The shortest route is the most logical route only when your sole goal is to walk the shortest distance. If walking the shortest possible distance is not your goal, then the shortest route is not the logical choice.


:D Agreed.


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15 May 2011, 2:43 am

There's a real-world example about how people instinctively choose the shortest pathway. Someone put together photos of several empty lots that have materialized around Detroit due to population decline.

http://2.bp.blogspot

On each lot are clearly marked "desire paths" that have formed from people taking short cuts across the grassy lots.


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15 May 2011, 3:25 am

nirrti_rachelle wrote:
There's a real-world example about how people instinctively choose the shortest pathway. Someone put together photos of several empty lots that have materialized around Detroit due to population decline.

http://2.bp.blogspot

On each lot are clearly marked "desire paths" that have formed from people taking short cuts across the grassy lots.


Exactly what I was imagining. I know a lot of "shortcut paths" around my local area and I'm pretty sure they weren't created by the local aspergers group. 8O



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15 May 2011, 5:07 am

jc6chan wrote:
One interesting behaviour I found was that if there are paved pedestrian pathways, NTs will avoid grassy areas at all costs, even if the pedestrian pathway does not draw a straight line to where you want to go. This is true even when the grass is dry.


OK! firm proof I have AS!! I've printed this off to forward to my psychiatrist for re-evaluation...



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15 May 2011, 5:44 am

In supermarket, watched a group of kids playing games and txting on their phones, holding a rapid loud conversation, and playing loud music out of headphones, all at the same time.

I bet these kids (like many others today) have grown up with intensive technology use and the consequential over-stimulation of their brains. I bet if they had to sit in a boat fishing serenely, or sitting silently by a beachfront fire or in a tramping cabin in the bush, they would withdraw and be climbing the walls.


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15 May 2011, 6:23 am

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Everybody who isn't ret*d realises that a straight line is the quickest way from A to B.
As I've already stated, what can be deduced regarding the differnce between aspies and NTs from their ways of negotiating public (assumingly unkept), grass is that one category TENDS to instinctively follow logic by adhering to the shortest route, and the other TENDS to follow social rules (although they don't necessarily aply to the given situation as law) by following the sidewalk. The aspies seem to apply pure utilitarian reason, without thinking about it; whilsts the NTs are doing what seems to be socially acceptable, from pure instinct.

In the above, I am of course assuming that no other factors, like a joy of walking, or a fascination for single-handedly creating pathways through the grass, come into play.


I'm not clear why you're claiming walking through grass as opposed to sidewalks is "logical." To me, it's more logical and correct to walk on paths that are specifically designed for being walked on. I went to a movie last night and there was obviously an aisle left open for people to walk down. It would have been quicker to climb over the seats to get to my chair, but I stuck to the walkway. Also, at Wal-Mart, I always go in the doors that are marked "Entrance" and I go out of doors that are marked "Exit," even though throngs of people seem to just go in and out whatever door they please, which annoys me.

I don't have a problem walking in areas designated for walking. It's the same principle as not going to the "10 Items or Less" line when you clearly have 12 items in your shopping cart. I find such things sloppy and disruptive.

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The shortest route is the most logical route only when your sole goal is to walk the shortest distance. If walking the shortest possible distance is not your goal, then the shortest route is not the logical choice.


:D Agreed.[/quote]

Yes, we are assuming that no other factors then distance come into play when deciding upon which path to take! I was trying to narrow this situation down as much as possible in order to deduce something from it.
Your examples aren't perfect paralels to the grass thing. In all situations you have mentioned acting in an unprescribed manner will lead to disorder or someone being bothered.



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16 May 2011, 3:26 am

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One interesting behaviour I found was that if there are paved pedestrian pathways, NTs will avoid grassy areas at all costs, even if the pedestrian pathway does not draw a straight line to where you want to go. This is true even when the grass is dry.


Several reasons for this:

1) Grass doesn't thrive too well when people are walking all over it all the time. You can easily tell when a lot of people have been taking grass shortcuts in an area because of the huge off-putting line of dead grass that appears. Sure, it's more convenient to take the shorter path through the grass, but it's respectful to whoever takes care of the lawn to take the long way around.

2) Grass and mud stain shoes, and dry grass sticks to shoes. I have no idea how much autistic people generally care about the appearance of their feet, but most NT's see their shoes as part of the big picture of their appearance and want to keep them clean.

3) It seems kind of tacky. The sidewalk is made for walking on, and the grass is there to look nice. This isn't some major social rule that you are expected to pick up on, but generally people are expected to take the sidewalk unless it is full. NT's do walk on the grass at times. Nobody is probably going to say anything to them unless there are signs up prohibiting it.

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16 May 2011, 3:42 am

NTs have the ability to think about nothing. They can just completely shut their brains off. How do they do that? Even when it looks like I'm doing nothing in particular, my brain's on over-drive thinking about random things.



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16 May 2011, 1:56 pm

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NTs have the ability to think about nothing. They can just completely shut their brains off.


I don't think this is true. What are you basing this claim on?



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16 May 2011, 10:32 pm

_Square_Peg_ wrote:
NTs have the ability to think about nothing. They can just completely shut their brains off. How do they do that?


The neurons in the human brain are constantly firing when people of any "nuerodiverse" persuasion are either consious or unconscious. Just so you know.