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15 May 2011, 8:35 am

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15 May 2011, 8:45 am

Having a real diagnosis of Aspergers may classify you as being disabled and entitled to some form of government welfare payment if you live in a European nation.
So you are self diagnosed and not yet confirmed Aspergers and can not get that government pay cheque that may make life so much easier for you.

I fully understand there is no welfare state in the US, private pension insurance only in the US. In the US you can not get a diagnosis unless you pay 1000s out of your own pocket. I personally do not know how you Americans survive with your private only health system, no public health system and no access to welfare system.



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15 May 2011, 9:16 am

Actually, I would say Spock (not "Doctor Spock"... he was a child psychologist, not a Vulcan) would make a pretty good Aspie. There are many different types, after all. Repressing emotion because you have been taught it will take over is not unusual on the spectrum--we often deal with meltdowns and emotional overexpression, at least as often as we deal with under-expression. I did this myself for quite a while. Lately I've just begun to realize that it is easier to deal with emotion if you get away from the situation that's overwhelming you, calm down in private, and then come back to it. Humans aren't Vulcans, after all. Not even autistic ones.

Compulsive lying and lack of emotion has nothing to do with AS or autism. I really don't know where you get that. I would suggest you go and read some more about autism in general, especially books written by autistics; you seem to be quite underinformed.

I suggest Congratulations! Your Child Is Strange. It's child-focused, as you can tell from the title; but much of it applies to adults too.


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15 May 2011, 9:32 am

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Data is a better fit, with his desire for normalcy and his inability to achieve it or express the emotions he feels.

Data is one of the very, very few characters in fiction (or indeed in fact!) that I can identify with. Indeed, he is the only one who ever comes readily to mind. It's a simply brilliant performance by Brent Spiner, by the way. (Not saying anything about whether the character is Aspie-like or not!)

Oh, and Mr. Bean. And I've had a gang of yobs call out "Mr. Bean!" at me, and do mocking impressions of his voice. :( (Thinks: does that count as a "diagnosis"?)


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15 May 2011, 10:25 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Having a real diagnosis of Aspergers may classify you as being disabled and entitled to some form of government welfare payment if you live in a European nation.
So you are self diagnosed and not yet confirmed Aspergers and can not get that government pay cheque that may make life so much easier for you.

I fully understand there is no welfare state in the US, private pension insurance only in the US. In the US you can not get a diagnosis unless you pay 1000s out of your own pocket. I personally do not know how you Americans survive with your private only health system, no public health system and no access to welfare system.


In the UK its not to do with diagnosis, but with symptoms. I already get disability benefits, and my diagnosis has changed several times over the last few years. Its all to do with how my condition/illness/disorder/whatever has impacted on my ability to live and work, not my diagnosis.



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15 May 2011, 10:29 am

Twirlip wrote:
BlackWolf wrote:
Data is a better fit, with his desire for normalcy and his inability to achieve it or express the emotions he feels.

Data is one of the very, very few characters in fiction (or indeed in fact!) that I can identify with. Indeed, he is the only one who ever comes readily to mind. It's a simply brilliant performance by Brent Spiner, by the way. (Not saying anything about whether the character is Aspie-like or not!)


I love Data. Following his journey to try to become more like a human is fascinating. (His interactions with Picard are brilliant). I also find Seven of Nine very interesting for similar reasons.



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15 May 2011, 10:30 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Having a real diagnosis of Aspergers may classify you as being disabled and entitled to some form of government welfare payment if you live in a European nation.
So you are self diagnosed and not yet confirmed Aspergers and can not get that government pay cheque that may make life so much easier for you.


So what? Some people are just trying to improve their lives. Why do people assume that everyone self diagnosing is looking for a pay check and a free ride? As if living on government assistance is a career choice?


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15 May 2011, 10:40 am

Yes, it was a sad chapter in America where funding for mental health got cut so that folks could be set free from institutions. Then the funding for the "safety net" for them got cut, so they ended up on the street.

Asperger's is most easily diagnosed when you are either young or old. When you are young the developmental delay aspect is quite apparent.

It is hardest to diagnose in young adults--when mental illness typically shows up for the first time--now it is necessary to weed out much more common
mental illnesses before making a diagnosis.

As you get older it again gets easier to diagnose--you may have offspring who are diagnoses, making your diagnosis much easier. Special talents often take time to develop and translate into something useful.



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15 May 2011, 10:44 am

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I also find Seven of Nine very interesting for similar reasons.

I find Seven of Nine very interesting for different reasons. :wink:



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15 May 2011, 11:11 am

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Aspergers are logical and rational people who can not show feelings, express emotions or show empathy towards other people. If you can not show remorse or empathy towards others and you are a compulsive manipulative liar: you could have Aspergers Syndrome.


Isn't that more that diagnosis for Psychopathy rather than Aspergers?


Yes.



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15 May 2011, 11:13 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
AFAIK you only have Aspergers if you are officially diagnosed by a trained medical professional.


Logical fallacy! How can you be diagnosed if you don't have it when you are evalued (and are still undiagnosed)?



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15 May 2011, 11:14 am

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If someone is half aspie and half NT, what are they?
BAP or subclinical Aspies. Some people have some autistic traits but not enough for being labelled, that is what I call being in the middle.



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15 May 2011, 11:15 am

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I love this forum.

Even when a very obvious trolling attempt occurs, everyone just takes a step back, forms a solid, logical argument and makes counter points to the original post. Yet it seems most people also actually *enjoy* doing that. So trolls that do come here end up having to spend a massive amount of effort to try and rile people up that just don't "get that" and actually enjoy the debate.

How many times has the word "logical" been used in this topic alone :lol:


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15 May 2011, 11:22 am

Twirlip wrote:
Henbane wrote:
I also find Seven of Nine very interesting for similar reasons.

I find Seven of Nine very interesting for different reasons. :wink:


Ah yes, there's that too. 8)



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15 May 2011, 2:11 pm

i also may or may not have a cold.

i have a runny nose, fever, blocked head head etc

it might be a flu, might be something else, but im sure its a cold.
all i know is, lemsip & neurofen makes it go away.


but i need my gp to tell me its a cold...


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15 May 2011, 2:12 pm

I was told by a doctor that I couldn't have Asperger's because I looked her in the eye (I was looking at the frame of her glasses... neat trick, huh?), my voice was expressive (I was there for depression and crying... hmmmmm) and that I wasn't 'odd'. A psychiatrist, licensed and self admittedly 'experienced' in autism. 10 minute/3 symptom pseudo dx.

Sorry. Not buying it.