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08 Jun 2011, 2:46 pm

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Imagine having to suddenly think on your feet, make decisions without a plan, and have your decisions matter in the lives of others.


Since aspies have average or above intelligence they are the same as NT-s when it comes to "thinking". Their only deficit is emotions. But the decisions you are referring to have nothing do with emotions.

The only reason it APPEARS like aspies are bad at thinking on their feet is that they are not socially aware so they forget to pretend to be better than they really are (which is what NT-s remember to do). Everyone has some failings; NT hides them, an aspie doesn't. So thats why it WRONGLY appears like an aspie is worse at thinking than NT.



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08 Jun 2011, 3:43 pm

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Since aspies have average or above intelligence they are the same as NT-s when it comes to "thinking". Their only deficit is emotions. But the decisions you are referring to have nothing do with emotions.

The only reason it APPEARS like aspies are bad at thinking on their feet is that they are not socially aware so they forget to pretend to be better than they really are (which is what NT-s remember to do). Everyone has some failings; NT hides them, an aspie doesn't. So thats why it WRONGLY appears like an aspie is worse at thinking than NT.


I completely disagree with you and your assumptions about Aspergers Syndrome and neuro-typical behavior. Not only does your statements lack psychiatric support but they are far too general to be applied to any singular individual.



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08 Jun 2011, 4:04 pm

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Since aspies have average or above intelligence they are the same as NT-s when it comes to "thinking". Their only deficit is emotions. But the decisions you are referring to have nothing do with emotions.

The only reason it APPEARS like aspies are bad at thinking on their feet is that they are not socially aware so they forget to pretend to be better than they really are (which is what NT-s remember to do). Everyone has some failings; NT hides them, an aspie doesn't. So thats why it WRONGLY appears like an aspie is worse at thinking than NT.


I completely disagree with you and your assumptions about Aspergers Syndrome and neuro-typical behavior. Not only does your statements lack psychiatric support but they are far too general to be applied to any singular individual.


I made these assertions partly based on my own experiences as an aspie, and partly based on the DSM 4 criteria that states that they do not have any delays apart from social interactions:

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(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood..



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08 Jun 2011, 4:51 pm

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Roman wrote:
Since aspies have average or above intelligence they are the same as NT-s when it comes to "thinking". Their only deficit is emotions. But the decisions you are referring to have nothing do with emotions.

The only reason it APPEARS like aspies are bad at thinking on their feet is that they are not socially aware so they forget to pretend to be better than they really are (which is what NT-s remember to do). Everyone has some failings; NT hides them, an aspie doesn't. So thats why it WRONGLY appears like an aspie is worse at thinking than NT.


I completely disagree with you and your assumptions about Aspergers Syndrome and neuro-typical behavior. Not only does your statements lack psychiatric support but they are far too general to be applied to any singular individual.


I made these assertions partly based on my own experiences as an aspie, and partly based on the DSM 4 criteria that states that they do not have any delays apart from social interactions:

DSM 4 wrote:

(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood..


That means an aspie child is not delayed in development only, an important distinction when determining the functional level. This speaks nothing to the aspie's anxiety and focus troubles, which you're overlooking as a critical factor, especially in adulthood. This is yet another reason why I'm pleased the DSM will be changing to better and more clearly describe Autism.



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10 Jun 2011, 9:28 pm

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...so that all three of you know that no one is 'to blame' for the mysterious issues you turned out to have?
...so that all three of you recognize and applaud what everyone went through trying to do the right thing before this understanding?


This seems a bit paradoxical. If blame is already in play, then disclosing a diagnosis will not change that dynamic. If the family is of the temperament that applauding effort is likely, the diagnosis won't change that either.

What I do see is that a family that doesn't seek blame and is already supportive (even if frustrated), a diagnosis can offer great explanatory benefits and also open new possibilities for positive growth. In a family that doesn't share such a positive outlook, a diagnosis would likely be followed by an increase in negativity.


Well yes; I was suggesting two possible versions of families.



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10 Jun 2011, 9:30 pm

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...so that all three of you know that no one is 'to blame' for the mysterious issues you turned out to have?
...so that all three of you recognize and applaud what everyone went through trying to do the right thing before this understanding?


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Acceptance.
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Work through why it went unnoticed through childhood.
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So parents can say "So that's why you do/did that!"


Thank you! Now, can you tell me why you would want these things from your parents when you're an adult?


Because if there are aspie-traited people in both generations and a family from a culture who believes traditionally that family remains close for life, several of you are probably at an emotional level that remains about age 13 in some aspects of your personality, no matter how 'adult' your physical and cognitive processes may be.



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11 Jun 2011, 4:49 pm

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Are you saying they asked you to be a "supervisor" and you couldn't make it because it involves interaction with people? In this case you could have just asked to be one of the regular soldiers, you don't have to be a supervisor


First, I'm not in the Army. Secondly, becoming a supervisor was not a "choice."

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Besides, even if they insist you are supervisor, the context of army is very straight forward. You don't have to worry about any subtle emotions and stuff like that in the army.


Yes you do. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand how the Air Force works.


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15 Jun 2011, 12:22 am

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Why did you consent? Are you saying you agree that you should be discriminated against?


I agreed I couldn't perform my job as required.

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I don't understand why you accept these accomodations to begin with. Asperger is a social problem, it doesn't affect your SKILLS; it only affects other people's opinions of you.


Asperger's affects many things, not just socializing. In any case, my lack of "social skills" were one of the primary reasons I could no longer perform my duties.

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It makes other people WRONGLY think you need accomodations when you don't. You should have refused these accomodations in order to prove to others you can manage just fine without them.



I was also in the military and can vouch for what is described in this thread, particularly the supervisory responsibilities. The latest regs disqualify those with AS as of April 13th this year. Ironic? I finished my enlistment not long before that happened. I am always grateful that nothing bad happened. I was, I was told, unprecedentedly stellar at some things. Yet I knew I should not advance any more through the NCO ranks (since they no longer have the advanced SPC ranks).



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15 Jun 2011, 12:59 am

that depends on your family

if you are the scapegoat for your family's faults....then you will be better not sharing that with them cause dysfuctional families dont like changes very well, and everyone is given a strict role which is met with much aggression if they try to get out of that role. If you are trying tell them your diagnosis in order to change your role of the scapegoat in the family, they will use all manner of denial and illogical thinking to keep you in your "place" no matter what evidence you have.

However, if your family is supportive or even semi-supportive, then it would help your adult relationships by relieving guilt and increasing understanding so amends can be made.

the key here is role flexibility...in a dysfuctional family, there is very little role flexibility, also if addiction plays any role in your family dynamic then this inflexability is multiplied.
learned this in college as a psychology major


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