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08 Jun 2011, 7:59 pm

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Okay. Austin isn't real, but I wanted to make my point.

The first movie is the best out of the three.

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08 Jun 2011, 8:03 pm

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Since someone may become suicidal because of unfairness,then he could at least kill the others that live the happy lives so he won't be all defeated.To gain some blood back because of the unfairness of life would commit suicide.

The people who you imagine are living "happy lives" actually have the same basic fears, desires and envy that you have expressed. It's part of our human nature.

What those who appear happy have is a "self consistency" mechanism whereby they give themselves goals and that are distractions to keep themselves from pondering over the temporary and fleeting nature of life and the complete lack of understanding we have of purpose or why we exist. Goals help them maintain self equilibrium.

Goals can be pretty much anything
- I want a bigger house
- I want a better job
- I want people to give me respect
- I want to find god

These little carrots are what keep us going. Life is a game - you just have to allocate a "role" for yourself.

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08 Jun 2011, 8:10 pm

The problem is that autistics are discriminated at work for the tiniest infractions.

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08 Jun 2011, 10:37 pm

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I did it too. My parents had to tell me to shut up, they got so sick of hearing it. I'm convinced that it's a psychosis related to AS-I've met at least one here that seems to have similar symptoms as I had in my teens and up until I was put on Risperdal at 26. I know that if the Risperdal is interrupted I get all depressed/angry and jittery, like somebody who hasn't had their morning coffee. I personally am not ruling out brain damage from amphetamine based ADHD drugs-I was on Ritalin, and Ritalin/Adderall prescriptions are everywhere nowadays. It's like giving your kid meth as far as I'm concerned. There are behavioral interventions and non-stimulant drugs that work just as well now, but kids keep popping the legal speed. :roll:

I don't think brain damage is likely on most prescription stimulants. They're typically safer than Tylenol.

The non-stimulant medications do not work as well.

Behavioral interventions don't work. If you do behavioral interventions with ADHD children in a particular place, then they only work in that one place. If you try to do them in a place where they spend a lot of time (like school) they last until the interventions stop. Further, the interventions simply do not work as well as medication with interventions.

There's a lot of negative mythology and propaganda about ADHD and stimulant medications. The vast majority of it is wrong.

Ritalin may very well have been wrong for you. It's entirely possible. That doesn't mean it's bad across the board, though. It's a life-saver for other people I know.

Well behavioral therapy might help some with ADHD, I mean obvoiusly there are different severity levels and not everyone with ADHD will react the same to it.

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08 Jun 2011, 10:47 pm

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JohnyJohn wrote:

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Also there is hell in afterlife and who wants to spend a life forever in hell?Trust me hell is no fun place and condition and people who committed suicide know this now.

I'd love to see some evidence on this one chief, and don't try using a book of fairy tales written by bronze age nomads as evidence.

Chief?Why did you call me that?Well i have evidence at least from my self,personal(saw satan in my dream when i was an atheist laughing and saying i am an atheist,then he punched me,had ''astral projection'',sleep paralysis/demon attacks(demon sucking energy out of me like a woodpecker),also some other things that i may tell only a Priest).Also evidence of miracles,scientists can't explain.Also why did you think that people believed in God(The Real),gods and demons since the ancient times?From different places from the one part of the Earth to the other?Also people still believe in God or false Gods or to the religion of atheism and science.

I call people chief often; don't let it get your undies in a twist.

You saw satan in a dream? That's evidence? Of what? That you had a bad dream? In my dream last night, a zombie apocalypse started, and it ended with them learning how to talk and starting a rudimentary form of government. Know what that means? Not a damn thing. Dreams are dreams; I asked for evidence.

Evidence of miracles scientists can't explain? Name three. Go on. Link me.

Why do I think that people believe in god? Mostly because people are ignorant sheep, and the NTs (who are in the majority) tend to have a herd mentality and repeat anything they hear without questioning it. Combine that with a history of people with mental illnesses claiming to have seen things (like demons and satan in their dreams), and you have the start of the cults that we have today.

Saying Atheism is a religion is like saying bald is a hair-style. Science is clearly not a religion since I can link you fact based materials showing that science is true instead of telling you science is true because I had a dream about gravity or relativity (which I actually have). Religions are comforting folk-lore passed down generationally through gullible people or coerced into populations through force.

My nickname is Chief and i thought you knew that that's why i asked because my old account's name is Chief.

Anyway i saw satan,he punched me and i was an atheist.Miracles that scientists can't explain?Many cures of paralyzed people,doctor's could not explain,miracle from Saints that came to a village and told exactly where their relics where to different people and the people from the village found them and built a Church,something that happened to me,also you can see what magicians do with the help of demons.
Also that part that you say about mental illnesses.OK but when there are many people together?They can't be all mentally ill,they were not in an asylum or a psych ward.

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08 Jun 2011, 11:37 pm

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Well behavioral therapy might help some with ADHD, I mean obvoiusly there are different severity levels and not everyone with ADHD will react the same to it.

I only know what's in the research, which generally looks really bad for behavioral therapy for unmedicated children with ADHD. Even if some children would benefit from it, it's still not nearly as effective as supplementing therapy with medication.

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08 Jun 2011, 11:48 pm

Verdandi wrote:

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Well behavioral therapy might help some with ADHD, I mean obvoiusly there are different severity levels and not everyone with ADHD will react the same to it.

Well I guess I just think they should be careful about what they are prescribing to kids, especially considering what the AD/HD medication actually is. I mean what happens to people who react badly to that drug? Or stimulant type drugs in general?

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09 Jun 2011, 12:01 am

I actually had a bad reaction to Ritalin. The initial dose was too high, and I ended up just basically sitting and staring into space for several hours. Once I came out of that, I called the doc and explained what happened, and I got off it. So that's what happens--you get a bad reaction, it's annoying, and then you call the doctor and they say "yeah, let's try something else".

Oddly enough, it wasn't the substance but the dosage that was a problem for me, because currently I'm on Concerta, which is extended-release and works a great deal better. My problem was that it was simply hitting my system too quickly and just jamming up the works, so to speak. The effect I get from the Concerta is like drinking coffee, only without the caffeine jitters, and really gives me a leg up on my ADHD.

But it's very important to actually teach people how to help themselves. ADHD meds are not a cure-all and they don't work on their own near as well as they work when you are also teaching that person organization, self-regulation, and other useful skills which, before the medication, would have been much more difficult to learn and implement.

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09 Jun 2011, 10:24 am

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Satan punched you? Literally? Have you told a therapist this? They may want to put you on something for that.

Cures of paralyzed people? People heal. We don't yet understand the extent of the human body's ability to heal itself. That doesn't mean "magic man done it".

I'm having trouble following you on the relic story. The were able to find things that were hidden? Is that a skill that warrants divinity? I saw Chris Angel do some pretty nifty tricks once, but it doesn't make him a deity. If people are able to do something that you can't explain, it just means that you don't know something or that they're smarter than you. I'm not sure what the magicians/demon comment is even in reference to.

As I said before, people often follow other people, even when what the person says is illogical. Don't ask me why, I don't understand NTs need to do that. If one person is mentally ill and personable, they can often start a cult based on whatever they choose. Larger religions are just cults that have grown way bigger and the leaders usually have died.

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So, I respectfully request you stop calling my professors and fellow students "stupid sheep".

I was calling our entire species "stupid sheep". Humans are easily duped primates with a major superiority complex.

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09 Jun 2011, 10:55 am

Callista wrote:

I find that Concerta wears off too quickly (in about eight hours after taking it), but otherwise it's a good treatment to help curb ADHD symptoms.

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09 Jun 2011, 1:15 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

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Well behavioral therapy might help some with ADHD, I mean obvoiusly there are different severity levels and not everyone with ADHD will react the same to it.

Adverse reactions to prescription stimulants are extremely infrequent. When I said they're safer than Tylenol, I wasn't exaggerating. While I wouldn't say no one should argue that stimulants ought to be removed from the market for safety reasons, I do kind of look askance at the same people not agitating for just about other medications as well. Or are only some adverse reactions bad, but liver and kidney failure are okay?

It's not hard to find the research - stimulant medications (not equivalent or comparable to what you buy and use on the streets) are the most extensively researched medications and have research going back decades. One doesn't have to guess.

Also, the adverse reactions Callista described are far more likely, and easier to circumvent with better dosages and medications. The same thing doesn't work for everyone.

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09 Jun 2011, 1:20 pm

Callista wrote:

Yeah, I tried to get at this. Usually, the worst reaction is cognitive issues from overdose or the wrong medication - the zombification effect. But what should happen is what you said.

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But it's very important to actually teach people how to help themselves. ADHD meds are not a cure-all and they don't work on their own near as well as they work when you are also teaching that person organization, self-regulation, and other useful skills which, before the medication, would have been much more difficult to learn and implement.

Definitely. I was trying to say in this thread that therapy + medication is far more effective than therapy alone. But I would also suggest that medication alone is more effective than therapy alone, but it is far, far from desirable.

It's unfortunate that there's so much material on the web that sells the idea that medication is an instant "cure," that starting Ritalin means you'll automatically be able to function. I've just started prescription medication, and something that was apparent to me when I self-medicated on ephedra is even more apparent now: It's easier to do a lot of things, but I lack the skills to make full use of the medication. There are huge gaps everywhere that I am trying to work out how to bridge. There are some coping mechanisms that help (like schedules/routines while taking medication), but there's a lot of stuff that is simply not there.

I recall reading one woman describing how it took her years on medication to get to the point where she could routinely wash the dishes without difficulty.

This is probably more an argument for treating children at a young age than anything else.

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09 Jun 2011, 1:55 pm

This thread has actually taken a turn for the better.

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09 Jun 2011, 1:58 pm

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This thread has actually taken a turn for the better.

I don't think I'd be able to handle it if it hadn't

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09 Jun 2011, 3:42 pm

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hartzofspace wrote:

This thread has actually taken a turn for the better.

I don't think I'd be able to handle it if it hadn't

Me, too!

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09 Jun 2011, 7:40 pm

My psychiatrist was contemplating prescribing me methamphetamine.

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