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23 Jun 2011, 2:09 pm

Asperger's gave me diabetes.



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23 Jun 2011, 2:17 pm

No. Until I'm happy with my life, everything is Asperger's fault.



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23 Jun 2011, 2:49 pm

Actually, although I don't think dark lord there was trying to spur any sort of intelligent discussion, i will bite because I have strangely ambivalent feelings about this issue.

I have had a friend who is also an Aspie, and he does indeed use Asperger's as an excuse to avoid changing certain negative behaviors he has, including impulsive spending and feelings of persecution. I dislike the trend of self-defeating thoughts and behaviors on the part of various autistic people I come in contact with, both in person and online. He is certainly intelligent enough to reason out compensatory behaviors, but instead chooses to use asperger's as a reason to throw up his hands and say, "well, I'm just this way and nothing can change that!"

In daily life, MOST people don't know anything about autism, and more importantly, they don't give a crap. I accept this. I accept it in the same way I accept that life isn't fair, there are long lines at the DMV, and that nearly everything is noisy, inconvenient, and inefficient. Even most NTs can't get past the "life isn't fair" part, and just end up stuck in a loop of how things "should" be, instead of how they ARE.

I can't change other people's perceptions or their behavior, I can't force them to understand how my mind works, my gifts or my limitations. I CAN control how I conduct myself, and my own attitudes and behaviors, so I stick with that. I refuse to lose myself in bitterness, entitlement, or railing against other people's unwillingness to accept me, or accommodate me.I refuse to adopt an "us versus them" stance on dealing with an NT world.

I live the life I have, and do everything in my power to make it the same as the one i feel I should have. Despite the sometimes herculean effort it takes, I feel like I'm making pretty good progress. I accept that there are some things that NTs take for granted that I find difficult or impossible, but I can do things that most of them cannot.



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23 Jun 2011, 3:11 pm

Malisha wrote:
Actually, although I don't think dark lord there was trying to spur any sort of intelligent discussion, i will bite because I have strangely ambivalent feelings about this issue.

I have had a friend who is also an Aspie, and he does indeed use Asperger's as an excuse to avoid changing certain negative behaviors he has, including impulsive spending and feelings of persecution. I dislike the trend of self-defeating thoughts and behaviors on the part of various autistic people I come in contact with, both in person and online. He is certainly intelligent enough to reason out compensatory behaviors, but instead chooses to use asperger's as a reason to throw up his hands and say, "well, I'm just this way and nothing can change that!"

In daily life, MOST people don't know anything about autism, and more importantly, they don't give a crap. I accept this. I accept it in the same way I accept that life isn't fair, there are long lines at the DMV, and that nearly everything is noisy, inconvenient, and inefficient. Even most NTs can't get past the "life isn't fair" part, and just end up stuck in a loop of how things "should" be, instead of how they ARE.

I can't change other people's perceptions or their behavior, I can't force them to understand how my mind works, my gifts or my limitations. I CAN control how I conduct myself, and my own attitudes and behaviors, so I stick with that. I refuse to lose myself in bitterness, entitlement, or railing against other people's unwillingness to accept me, or accommodate me.I refuse to adopt an "us versus them" stance on dealing with an NT world.

I live the life I have, and do everything in my power to make it the same as the one i feel I should have. Despite the sometimes herculean effort it takes, I feel like I'm making pretty good progress. I accept that there are some things that NTs take for granted that I find difficult or impossible, but I can do things that most of them cannot.


Well said! :thumleft:


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23 Jun 2011, 3:20 pm

Jellybean wrote:
Why oh why must you continuously post the same subject with slightly different names then run away?


That's the first thought I had upon reading the topic header.



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23 Jun 2011, 4:09 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
Jellybean wrote:
Why oh why must you continuously post the same subject with slightly different names then run away?


That's the first thought I had upon reading the topic header.



Are we required to respond to our own topics that don't require a response from us?



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23 Jun 2011, 4:12 pm

League_Girl wrote:
SyphonFilter wrote:
Jellybean wrote:
Why oh why must you continuously post the same subject with slightly different names then run away?


That's the first thought I had upon reading the topic header.



Are we required to respond to our own topics that don't require a response from us?


It is just Dark_Lords MO... drop a bomb and run and have a laugh at all the people getting bent out of shape over it. Occassionally he'll drop back in to stoke the embers a bit and then run away again.



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23 Jun 2011, 4:18 pm

You don't need Asperger's as an excuse not to grow. Most people don't have a neurological condition, and they find other ways to justify the crap they do that they could stop doing if they really wanted to.


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23 Jun 2011, 4:50 pm

Moog wrote:
You don't need Asperger's as an excuse not to grow. Most people don't have a neurological condition, and they find other ways to justify the crap they do that they could stop doing if they really wanted to.


Aspergers whining made me the same as everyone else!!

How neurotypical am I?

My view is the non acceptance of autistic expression within society that is the real problem

Spock and Bones are but a token gesture.....40 years apart...like a token n****r such as Morgan Freeman



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23 Jun 2011, 4:53 pm

Surfman wrote:
Moog wrote:
You don't need Asperger's as an excuse not to grow. Most people don't have a neurological condition, and they find other ways to justify the crap they do that they could stop doing if they really wanted to.


Aspergers whining made me the same as everyone else!!

How neurotypical am I?

My view is the non acceptance of autistic expression within society that is the real problem

Spock and Bones are but a token gesture.....40 years apart...like a token n****r such as Morgan Freeman



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23 Jun 2011, 6:21 pm

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I just assume it means like if people get mad at you or if you say something wrong or if someone dumps you, it must have been because of your AS.

These things happen with NTs too. Same as when they ask a question and people take it the wrong way, an aspie does it and blames it on their AS.

These are just examples.


Huh. I find this interesting because it is entirely possible for people to get mad at one for saying something wrong or get dumped because of ASD-related behavior. That doesn't mean that the person who did it isn't responsible, but just because it happens to NTs doesn't mean it never happens as a consequence of autism.

Sometimes it seems to me that people oppose mentioning difficulties even to the point of lying about it because mentioning those difficulties somehow turns it into "using it as an excuse."

I'm not talking about any specific person. I have had the "Don't use it as an excuse" discussion many times and the whole instruction is maddeningly vague and seems to shift meaning based on who says it and what their attitudes are about disability.



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23 Jun 2011, 7:07 pm

Why does everyone look at the downsides of Aspergers? There are a few, well known perks that I believe completely outlaw the downsides. So would everyone please stop complaining? It's the way you are, when are you going to embrace it? :roll:


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23 Jun 2011, 7:09 pm

MakaylaTheAspie wrote:
Why does everyone look at the downsides of Aspergers? There are a few, well known perks that I believe completely outlaw the downsides. So would everyone please stop complaining? It's the way you are, when are you going to embrace it? :roll:


That's it. I'm defecting totally to autistic disorder.



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23 Jun 2011, 10:24 pm

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It depends specifically on what the problem is.


agreed. if you have a noise sensitivity and are poor and live in a noisy crap hole then obviously you're not going to get very far in life simply because you don't even have the simple luxury or peace and quiet. of course, if you're middle class, live in a quiet house and have that same noise sensitivity, then you can most likely work around it.

so, while some people may blame too much on AS, it can cause significant problems for those of use screwed enough to not have even the most basic of necessities for dealing with some of the issues associated with AS.



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23 Jun 2011, 10:26 pm

I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to speak to Temple Grandin once. She told my son "You have autism- don't let it have you". Words to live by.



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23 Jun 2011, 10:32 pm

MakaylaTheAspie wrote:
Why does everyone look at the downsides of Aspergers? There are a few, well known perks that I believe completely outlaw the downsides. So would everyone please stop complaining? It's the way you are, when are you going to embrace it? :roll:


i'd like to know these perks because i haven't seen any.