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12 Jul 2011, 2:01 am

Yeah, I've had occasions when someone would ask me a question and I had to stop to process the question just to understand it enough to answer, and that always seems to be read as the answer the person asking didn't want. So they get angry with me even though I haven't had a proper chance to say anything at all.



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12 Jul 2011, 2:58 am

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I have often been accused of ignoring people when in fact I haven't yet replied because I'm still trying to digest what's been said to me. Whilst most people seem to have an immediate response, opinion or gut feeling it takes me some considerable time to understand what was said and how I feel about it. Even when I know how I feel then is then another delay whilst I formulate a satisfactory sentence structure.


Maybe that is why so many people just say things that aren't accurate. There is no thought. There is no pause to think. Perhaps they were taught that answering immediately is the best option because silence is uncomfortable.
Which leads to lying.

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I get the eye rolls, impatience. Are their methods really any better than yours? Let them know, okay look if you want me to just say something just to be on time rather than actually give you the correct response, let me know but don't expect anything with substance to come from this. You might end up saying something funny that has nothing to do with the questions asked or conversation and the person might loosen up and so might you.

People are just impatient.
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Fast modems (remember dial up??)

People want their social fix...well the ones who just like to talk alot and they want it in the manner that they receive their fast food. NOW! I WANT IT NOW!
When you take the time to really engage in conversation providing in-depth reports on the subject it turns into an angry customer waiting for their fast food fix.

That is why there are topics based on gossip, fashion and the news. Talk talk talk. If you provide any hidden details to the conversation, you are attempting to awaken them from their slumber and they get upset and press the snooze button which is essentially your mute button through snippy cold outcasting.



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12 Jul 2011, 4:12 am

I'm drifty as hell. Usually people think I'm stupid due to my slow mental processing speeds; but the truth is I'm quite an intelligent person.



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12 Jul 2011, 6:26 am

I dont have any professional information on this, and I dont know if we are talking about the same thing, but I have an issue focusing on peoples speach in real time, so that it requires effort to stay connected. I try constantly to generate an interest for the people and I keep drifting away in between, so that when I catch myself drifting away I have to reassemble the last moment to join in again, which for some reason is stored in my brain. I then hear the last sentence in my head many seconds after it was said, and remember the moment which was in front of me, even though I was thinking about something else. The absent moments I analyze what some people say are superfluous problems.



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12 Jul 2011, 6:58 am

I tend to drift off because I often prefer my own internal thought processes to the chatter around me. I do have thought shut-downs when put on the spot or if I'm very anxious. This is why I don't argue politics. I am very sensitive to aggression and can't access what I want to express when I need to.


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12 Jul 2011, 10:54 am

Subscribing for when I have time to process all this. It's quite fascinating & explains a lot.



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12 Jul 2011, 8:43 pm

Like many of you, I have long delays in my brain. My least favorite types of brain delays are name recognition, interrupt faults and temporal disconnects.

Name Recognition. If I go to someone's house, I generally know who I will find there, so I remember people's names right away, as soon as I see them. But if we meet in a grocery store or other location where I don't expect to see them, I will be standing there the entire time we are visiting trying to figure out, "I know I have seen this person before. He or she lives at that house, he does this kind of work for a living, etc. But what is his or her name?!" Two minutes after we have parted ways, it suddenly occurs to me: "Oh, yeah, that's his or her name ..."

Interrupt Faults. If I am carrying on a conversation or doing a project, and am interrupted by someone else talking, or someone accidentally bumps me, or I drop my pen, or anything else that requires my attention, by the time I get back to the conversation or project, I have completely lost track of what I was saying or doing at the time I was interrupted. I have to hope that someone else remembers what I was talking about or what task I was in the middle of, or I have to sit down and think about it for long minutes at a time. If someone reminds me what I was saying or doing, my brain immediately slips back into gear, and it is as if the interruption never took place. Indeed, if you were to ask me what just happened to interrupt my train of thought, I would look at you in complete confusion ...

It is also fun when I get to my car and realize I forgot something in my house. I forget a lot of things, which is why I always wheel a suitcase around wherever I go with copies of the most common items I forget. On my way back to get Item A, I realize I also forgot Item B. I get inside, retrieve Item B, and get halfway back to my car before I realize that Item A is still inside my house. I go back inside my house, set Item B down, retrieve Item A, and get back to my car, then realize I just set Item B down inside again. Completely resigned to my extreme tardiness at my intended destination, I head back to the house again, and as I get to the door I realize I also forgot Item C ...

Temporal Disconnects. I can remember what happened in the past with exceptional clarity, and I can remember upcoming events weeks in advance. But I cannot remember things I am supposed to do in the here-and-now. Even written schedules don't help much, because I don't remember anything that might be coming up, so I don't even think to check the schedules.

My favorite (or should I say least favorite) event I didn't remember occured several years ago. Now I remember the day like it happened five minutes ago. My presence was requested at a formal event, and certain talents that only I possessed were required at the event. I planned it out weeks in advance. On the night before the event, I packed everything I needed into a box and set the box down next to the front door so I would have to move the box to open it. I put notes all over the house on every surface I commonly used to remind myself of this important event.

On the day of the event I woke up, completely oblivious to the fact that I was supposed to be somewhere at a certain time that day. I passed by every reminder note, read an half dozen e-mails about the event or the talents that would be required there, and after breakfast I moved the box away from the front door to go out and do what I normally did on that day. I went through the entire day and went to bed that night not realizing I was supposed to be somewhere else that day. The next morning, I sat bolt upright in bed ... - LJS


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12 Jul 2011, 9:19 pm

LongJohnSilver, you just described me to a T.


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12 Jul 2011, 9:22 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
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I get the eye rolls, impatience. Are their methods really any better than yours? Let them know, okay look if you want me to just say something just to be on time rather than actually give you the correct response, let me know but don't expect anything with substance to come from this. You might end up saying something funny that has nothing to do with the questions asked or conversation and the person might loosen up and so might you.


I do this sometimes, but I find this kind of response extremely frustrating at times, so I tend not to engage in it very much.



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12 Jul 2011, 9:26 pm

I have this problem, too. I mean thoughts delay.



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12 Jul 2011, 9:42 pm

This is def a problem for me in conversations I come off slow. It is one of the reasons why I am quite, my response will come after the topic has switched :x . I honestly don't know what people think of me if I'm slow or I'm humble. Most of the time I'll just ask a question and occasionally it wont even be related to whats being talked about.



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13 Jul 2011, 5:40 am

Dunno if this is a "thought delay" but I have a delay in my sense of danger. For example, it may take me twice as long to realize that me leaning over the stove with the flames on means that my shirt may catch on fire, or that me placing a wooden spoon less than an inch away from the flames may result in a fire. Because of this delay I don't trust myself alone with children.



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13 Jul 2011, 9:01 am

LongJohnSilver wrote:
Like many of you, I have long delays in my brain. My least favorite types of brain delays are name recognition, interrupt faults and temporal disconnects.

Name Recognition. If I go to someone's house, I generally know who I will find there, so I remember people's names right away, as soon as I see them. But if we meet in a grocery store or other location where I don't expect to see them, I will be standing there the entire time we are visiting trying to figure out, "I know I have seen this person before. He or she lives at that house, he does this kind of work for a living, etc. But what is his or her name?!" Two minutes after we have parted ways, it suddenly occurs to me: "Oh, yeah, that's his or her name ..."

Interrupt Faults. If I am carrying on a conversation or doing a project, and am interrupted by someone else talking, or someone accidentally bumps me, or I drop my pen, or anything else that requires my attention, by the time I get back to the conversation or project, I have completely lost track of what I was saying or doing at the time I was interrupted. I have to hope that someone else remembers what I was talking about or what task I was in the middle of, or I have to sit down and think about it for long minutes at a time. If someone reminds me what I was saying or doing, my brain immediately slips back into gear, and it is as if the interruption never took place. Indeed, if you were to ask me what just happened to interrupt my train of thought, I would look at you in complete confusion ...

It is also fun when I get to my car and realize I forgot something in my house. I forget a lot of things, which is why I always wheel a suitcase around wherever I go with copies of the most common items I forget. On my way back to get Item A, I realize I also forgot Item B. I get inside, retrieve Item B, and get halfway back to my car before I realize that Item A is still inside my house. I go back inside my house, set Item B down, retrieve Item A, and get back to my car, then realize I just set Item B down inside again. Completely resigned to my extreme tardiness at my intended destination, I head back to the house again, and as I get to the door I realize I also forgot Item C ...

Temporal Disconnects. I can remember what happened in the past with exceptional clarity, and I can remember upcoming events weeks in advance. But I cannot remember things I am supposed to do in the here-and-now. Even written schedules don't help much, because I don't remember anything that might be coming up, so I don't even think to check the schedules.

My favorite (or should I say least favorite) event I didn't remember occured several years ago. Now I remember the day like it happened five minutes ago. My presence was requested at a formal event, and certain talents that only I possessed were required at the event. I planned it out weeks in advance. On the night before the event, I packed everything I needed into a box and set the box down next to the front door so I would have to move the box to open it. I put notes all over the house on every surface I commonly used to remind myself of this important event.

On the day of the event I woke up, completely oblivious to the fact that I was supposed to be somewhere at a certain time that day. I passed by every reminder note, read an half dozen e-mails about the event or the talents that would be required there, and after breakfast I moved the box away from the front door to go out and do what I normally did on that day. I went through the entire day and went to bed that night not realizing I was supposed to be somewhere else that day. The next morning, I sat bolt upright in bed ... - LJS


Thanks for putting that into words. I'm almost exactly like that, but I never would have been able to describe it in words.


I put things that I'm going to need the next day into my shoes.....to make sure I wont forget them. (Things that I don't use everyday & am prone to forget)


I have a routine that I follow to make sure I get everything I need. I leave everything in my pants.....my wallet, keys, money, comb, knife, flashlight, phone etc etc. I keep it all in my pockets or attached to my belt. When I get up the next morning, I transfer everything from my "old" pants to my "new" pants. The "pants swap" is part of my morning routine. My girlfriend doesn't understand it.....but if I don't do my "pants swap" then I will forget essential items. (Like my wallet)


When I need to remember something I will write a note or leave the item "in my path" for when I need it. An example would be writing a note & sticking it to the door. So when the door opens it will fall & I'll pick it up & read it......the problem occurs when I occasionally have to break routine....for example, leaving out the back door instead of the front. I've identified most of my "forgetfulness" flaws & I've taken steps to compensate. Doesn't always work, but it helps. I've also found that setting an "event" on my smartphone calender so an alarm goes off to help remind me.....but if I don't do it right then I'll forget again. The Item "A", "B", & "C" thing hit really close to home with me. I've done that so many times.....but I've never thought about it until I saw your post.



I wonder if this is related to my strange driving habits? I sometimes forget where my destination is. Like, I remember what the place looks like, and what the area around it looks like.....but I forget where it's at. I have to think real hard for a minute or two before I remember. I have a driving "routine" too. I drive the same path to and from work every day. It's almost like I have a pre-determined path for everywhere I go. 99% of the time, it's simply the shortest distance to my target. When I go somewhere new, or have to take an unusual path (Like instead of going from "work-to-home", say I'll need to go "work-to-a-friend's-house"), I'll be thrown for a loop for a minute or two while I figure out the shortest distance & the most efficient path. It's kinda like the little GPS devices....when you mis a turn it says "calculating" for a few seconds while it reroutes you. My brain does that, but it can take up to several minutes.

Monday I had to renew my auto insurance. I've only been to the building once prior. I knew the street it was on, and I knew which plaza area it was in......but I didn't remember where on that street the plaza was. So while I was trying to figure it out I auto-piloted down the street into a plaza that I was familiar with. When I arrived, I was like "wait, this isn't right".



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14 Jul 2011, 1:33 am

One of my more acute examples in the recent past:

This happens to me in therapy, and usually at least once every session, often more. My therapist will say something to me and I don't even process what she's saying or what it means, I just agree so I can move on because I can't make sense of it then and there. It's not until later that day up until a few days later that I work out the full implications and can assemble a reply. Unfortunately, she says she doesn't even remember a lot of these things that she said when I try to explain my reactions.



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14 Jul 2011, 9:40 am

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Monday I had to renew my auto insurance. I've only been to the building once prior. I knew the street it was on, and I knew which plaza area it was in......but I didn't remember where on that street the plaza was. So while I was trying to figure it out I auto-piloted down the street into a plaza that I was familiar with. When I arrived, I was like "wait, this isn't right".


I relate. My walking is also often on autopilot, and occasionally I have to make a 190 degrees turn on the sidewalk because I went a couple of meters too far from where I had to make a turn, if Im heading somewhere else than usual. Sometimes Im surprised that I already arrived and wonder how I managed to go through the thick of the city without brain. These moments Im in deep thoughts and some part of my brain automatically brings me to the destination. That is fascinating. Also if I start thinking about something while reading a book, it can happen that I read several pages without paying attention to the text, and then I have to search where I lost the clue. What? My eyes are reading and my fingers turning the pages and I am thinking about something completely different! Now that is multitasking :wink:



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14 Jul 2011, 9:55 am

Adamantus wrote:
I have a problem with delays in my thoughts and in speech. I am wondering how common this is and if I can find some information about it. At the moment I can't find anything. A psychologist said that it generally could take 10 seconds for thoughts to come through with Aspergers but did not elaborate. Does anyone have any information about this subject?


I believe most people would have thought delay if they focussed as hard as us on finding the right word we wanted to say. Most people just whap out whatever they can think of. I think that 10 second statistic is an example of what I am talking about.