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10 Sep 2014, 1:34 am

TheygoMew wrote:
Is he having blackouts when aggressive? Determine this by asking if he remembers and to recall what happened during that time period. If he can't then he is blacking out.

Has he ever had seizures or lights are too much for him?

Was he ever beaten or bullied?

Does he understand the rules of sports and the person isn't trying to steal the ball but it's apart of the game?

What autistic traits does he have?


I know this is an old thread but found it through searches. My 7 year old has had some school consequences and his IEP changed because of aggression (twice) on the playground. It was always in self-defense, but over the top. This second time he said he 'can't remember' what happened. He said he doesn't remember biting the other child. I wonder if he blacked out and really can't recall. The school wants him to 'own up'. What does the blackout mean? Possible seizure? He was evaluated for absence seizures over a year ago, but it was inconclusive and no medication.



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13 Sep 2014, 5:26 pm

Maybe this exercise could help him?
I don't know, haven't tried it myself yet, but it seems to be very successful in India,
it was just posted by someone in the general autism discussion forum:


http://frommypen17.blogspot.in/2012/04/god-of-super-brain-yoga.html

If the Indian school teacher asks the student to do this exercise [for being naughty in the class], we say "It is a punishment". If an American does the same thing, we say "It is Super Brain Yoga".
Thoppukaranam is a traditional practice in Indian Schools, accepted from Gurukula system of education to make the child sit and stand catching both the ears with hands crossing each other symbolising punishment for lethargy, laziness and not memorizing or grasping and to improve brain power etc. Though it has degenerated into a punishment, the reason for giving such punishments were exactly to improve the brain power of the child. Most people do it in front of idol of Ganesha. There it is more than improving the brain power, it is a request to enlighten. Science only re-invents.
A simple devotional action performed by Hindus in front of Lord Ganesha from time immemorial is now being researched and enthusiastically promoted and registered in the West as Super Brain Yoga.
(...)
As per the medical research and subsequent report, doing these special kind of situps while holding the opposite earlobes help stimulate brain power and remember things better.
Dr. Eric Robins, a medical doctor in Los Angeles, calls it ?a fast, simple, drug-free method of increasing mental energy? and prescribes it for his patients. He speaks of one student who raised his grades from C?s to A?s in the space of one semester.
Denise Peak, a high-school teacher of students with learning disabilities, including autism and Aspergers Syndrome, has had very encouraging results. She says, ?I think this might be the key to help unlock these children.
Occupational therapist Raina Koturba says the effect on one autistic seven-year-old boy was immediate and dramatic. Before learning the exercise, the boy had frequent episodes of violence, including kicking, biting, punching, and head-butting; ?but since he started the exercise, he has not had one outburst.?



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13 Sep 2014, 8:32 pm

angelgarden wrote:
I know this is an old thread but found it through searches. My 7 year old has had some school consequences and his IEP changed because of aggression (twice) on the playground. It was always in self-defense, but over the top. This second time he said he 'can't remember' what happened. He said he doesn't remember biting the other child. I wonder if he blacked out and really can't recall. The school wants him to 'own up'. What does the blackout mean? Possible seizure? He was evaluated for absence seizures over a year ago, but it was inconclusive and no medication.


I think children "act-out" because they are so frustrated by what's going-on INSIDE of them----like, they know they can't communicate the way they want to, or they know their brain isn't "behaving" the way they want, or they can't control their brain the way they want, etc. (Adults, IMO, sometimes become "control freaks"----they control the outside cuz they can't control the INside.) Children who may not have learned the words, yet, to make it understood how they're feeling (even I can't always find the right words), feel angry, and can become aggressive. It may seem like they're hateful (my mother always asked me why I was so hateful, when I was a child----I was SHOCKED that she thought I hated ANYTHING), but what they're feeling is probably quite different. Maybe if you "give" him the words----like, ask him: "Are you angry / hurt / embarrassed because you messed-up at the playground?" (say this at the time the incident occurs). Speaking of the playground, it's possible your son does remember what happened but says he doesn't remember because he's embarrassed to recount it----he may feel he behaved badly / feel ashamed, and doesn't want to remind himself of that.

As for the school wanting him to "own-up" to his actions....

Not even adults are likely to own-up to someone standing over them, berating them----you're gonna have to do it, in a calm / kind manner----if this occurred recently; I don't know if I'd bring it up, again, if it didn't.




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14 Sep 2014, 3:41 am

Sounds more like anger issues or that they have a problem with bullying/harassing people. I doubt he dunks other kids because he doesn't know it scares them, probably does it to scare them. Unfortunately having AS doesn't make one immune to that kind of behavior so I'd say perhaps some consequences for his actions are needed.....how old is he? Of course the Autism should be considered if it is part of this but sounds more like bad behavior than autistic misunderstanding of social situations but just my take on what was posted in the OP I could be wrong.


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14 Sep 2014, 3:47 am

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Maybe part of poor social skills? Like, he doesn't know how else to resolve problems, so he gets physical. Or he doesn't understand how it feels for others when he does this.

It might also be a self-control issue - does he seem to be impulsive in other ways? Can he stop himself from being aggressive if given the right incentives?

Another thought, though this is unlikely, is that he might be bipolar. He'd need to have a lot of other characteristics for that condition, though.


I think it may be all of these to a degree. Sometimes I talk to him about the incident and ask him to go to an adult when he is in over his head but he says that adults don't believe him so he feels that this won't help. His social skills therapist talks about how to deal with things too but he doesn't tap into that at the time. I did get most of the hitting under control when he had to go 20 days without hitting anyone in order to get his first DS. He says he can't control himself, and he is impulsive, but it only took 22 days out of 20 to earn his DS so how true is that really if he can do that? Can a really strong incentive overcome lack of control? The amount of hitting is better than it was before the DS, but now he's getting more aggressive in that he isn't just slapping someone anymore, he's kicking and punching. I have thought of bi polar because I have a few bi polar people in my family, and his older brother was diagnosed with bi polar 2 disorder at 22 years of age, but I don't know enough about how that manifests in a 9 year old.

I've also thought of martial arts, but the last thing I want him to do is have license to hit, and if he learns to fight well I'm afraid he will really hurt someone.

I've also thought about pursuing medication, but I don't want to do that unless I have completely exhausted all other means of dealing with this issue. I'm not anti medication, but I don't want to medicate if I don't have to.


Martial Arts also teaches discipline...he would not progress all that far without that but if he gets that down then he'd use the fighting skills in the right way. Not all that sure taking martial arts classes gives one the license to just randomly hit people, but it does probably provide an outlet for aggressive energy but a more healthy one than just beating people up which obviously can get one in lots of trouble.


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