Are you psychic?

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You're weaseling the words, now - sliding the meaning around to prevent them from being nailed down on one definition.

Just answer the question, please: What's in the box?

Or admit that you can't.

(Clue: Demonstrating a claim is a form of research.)

I refuse to answer "what's in the box." I don't like being put on the spot. It's an idiosyncrasy of mine. I need flow.

People who have no idea what they're talking about typically don't.

And by the way, I was implying that if you want to know about fish schooling and bird formations, people a lot smarter and more educated than you can tell you all about it. But you probably haven't lifted a finger to seek this information out online, because you want so desperately for your psychic theory to be true.

The box is empty. That's my guess.

I'm actually interested in this stuff, though I like to have a scientific explanation. I will read the link later.

Ahh... the old "I can't be confined / I gotta be free / I gotta be spontaneous" excuse.

No wonder psychic research has not progressed past the Stone Age - an utter lack of discipline in its adherents.

What's in the box?

Anyone?

Anyone?

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Oh, okay, thanks for that. I'll stick with my morphic field studies.

It may be possible that whatever factors influence what is called psychic phenomenon, can't easily be measured, and are as real as any other phenomenon in life. Up until this point much of the research on psychic abilities has been done with objects that aren't particularly psychologically and physically stimulating.

The new research below suggests when erotic images are used, that there is an ability to identify the future positions of the erotic pictures significantly more frequently than the 50% expected hit rate. Across 100 sessions 53.1 percent was measured as successfully predicting the positions of the erotic pictures.

More studies to come to duplicate the research efforts.

If the ability to predict the future, is a natural phenomenon, we shouldn't expect it to be an all or nothing phenomenon based on whatever factors we choose to believe to be significant in testing it. They speak to the issue of migratory birds in the article also, relating it to the ability to sense magnetic fields.

They don't purport an explanation for this; while it's a natural human characteristic to place order on the world; it's fairly egocentric to decide with our limited powers of observation of reality that we completely understand the interplay of the forces understood and not understood at hand.

I find the "psychological and physiological stimulation" of the experiment interesting. That in itself may be the factor that increases the ability for what we call psychic ability, more than what it is we are predicting.

I don't believe in the ability to guess what a random item is in a box. This suggests that the phenomenon is an all or nothing phenomenon. It may be extremely subtle; some may have the associated abilities more than others, depending on their genetics, unique physiology, experience, and state of cognitive awareness.

This research seems to point us in this direction; but what causes the interplay of human stimulation and the ability to predict a simple future event at a significantly higher than normal expected rate, is a question we may never fully understand, simply because we have no way of understanding it.

If additional studies duplicate this effort, we may have to come to terms with it happens, but we don't know why.

I started off my visit here 8 months ago with a topic on synchronicity, and got mostly it's just coincidence that we see as psychologically meaningful, rather than any acausal connecting principle. I think there may be more to it than coincidence; it's often a subtle experience like seeing someone you think you know and seeing the actual person a short time after that.

The difference here is while it can't be proven as anything else but coincidence, we may be psychologically stimulated by the thought that we saw our friend. The stimulation and the visual expectation is similar to the experiment with erotic images, but the strength of it would depend on the individual. I see a similarity here, but this specific, particular phenomenon would be next to impossible to test, due to the subjective nature of it, but it is a common shared human experience that some experience and others don't.

I don't really believe in acausal, I would rather refer to synchronicity as an unknown connecting principle that results in a psychologically meaningful result.

http://caps.ucsf.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bem2011.pdf

One night I had a dream that I saw a friend I hadn`t seen in 5 years, and the next day she shows up at my front door for real!! !

Unfortunately, these studies are not definitive, and provide no consistent effects in the real world.

Until someone can correctly tell me What's in the box, there is no evidence; only speculation, coincidence, and tortured statistics.

Maybe that box contains kryptonite....

You sidestep more than the guy from Doom.

For some reason I am getting Superman vibes :S

You are way off.

Admit it; you have no psychic ability.

The difficulty is in how to measure the phenomenon. While there is no evidence that people have an ability to randomly guess what's in a box, it doesn't preclude the possibility of other subtle abilities beyond our current understanding of human ability and natural forces. The study I quoted is the first one attempted with this method and the first one to provide a significant correlation, although admittingly small.

A significantly greater ability than what has been measured with other means of testing to predict the position of where erotic images have been placed is real world stuff, unless one is looking for "magic"; that's not what I am looking for.

There will never be a definitive test until we understand all the forces at play. It's like Autism, we know the phenonomenon exists specifically by how we have determined to measure it, but it doesn't look like we are going to find any definitive cause for it, as we can with neurological issues like epilepsy. At this point it is only an observation of a group of symptoms defined by commonly understood criteria.

I wouldn't expect us to have an easier time figuring out how people can predict something in the future, with higher than expected odds.

If the results are repeated with the same testing methods, and potential other stimulating variables, we can only state that the phenomeonon of a greater than statistically expected ability to predict these specific items exists. It's not evidence of predicting a random item in a box but it is evidence of a greater than statistically expected prediction of where pictures are placed in the future. If that is the case it is reasonable to suggest that the phenomenon exists outside of the experiment.

I'll reserve final opinion until I see further research, but it is the only scientific significant evidence of an actual human potential to predict future events, that I have seen.

This could lead to some very interesting research, if nothing else.

Yes. I have been told that I don't think people but I feel them. Even though I have no idea where it comes from the feelings I get usually turn out accurate meanwhile other people don't get it until much later. This has actually helped with my autistic traits. If I didn't have that, I'd be VERY blind and life would be even more disappointing.

Also had dreams that have come true. Visions while awake that came true. Strange synchronicities etc..

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They must be coming from somewhere. I just thought of kryptonite and Superman. What significance that holds remains to be seen.

I have been told I have a degree of psychic ability by people who know me in person. It's uncanny. Not saying I can solve crimes with it. It's more like telepathy.