Solving autism via illegal drugs

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I never said there is no real world, what I said is that none of us directly experience reality. We all have our own subjective realities and my reality may be very different to yours.


Thats like saying someone who goes to visit another country, say France is going there to escape their home country. There are far more reasons why someone might visit a different country than "escaping" their own. Someone might spend a lot of time in another country because they believe that it is contributing towards their overall goals/plans in life.



Thats not what I'm talking about. Shrooms literally allow you to receive more information from your external environment. Hence, it is the opposite of escaping from reality, it forces you to experience reality to a greater degree. Of course there is a lot more that goes on when your on shrooms. Your beliefs and mindset direct the kinda trip you have and manifest as those semi hallucinations you get on shrooms.


Yeah thats another factor. Various psychoactive substances including shrooms allow you to experience altered states of reality which you previously did not know exist. More often than not, when you realise these different states of being exist, you're forced to change your perspective on reality. This is one of the many enlightening aspects of psychedelics but this occurs with all substances, to varying degrees.


You're pretty perceptive because when I wrote this thread, I was on opioids. Opioids sometimes turn me into an egotistical, selfish, angry bastard. I was pretty angry when I wrote this reply. I don't like when people judge drug users and assume the only reason they could have for taking substances is they want to escape reality. Thats a very silly idea and anyone whos knowledgeable and experienced in the area knows its BS but I still take offense to it. You're obviously smart and free thinking so I wouldn't direct that bad attitude towards you, its just people who appear to be very ignorant and readily accepting of the concensus simply because its the concensus. The kinda people who think that their arguments are stronger simply because the consensus agrees with them.


I know exactly what you mean. I find that the trick is to always remember that you don't know s**t about this reality thing. He who knows nothing has everything to learn. Its not that hard to get into this mindset and its extremely liberating. The hard part is constantly ensuring that you don't slip back into ignorance. Whats driving me to become a scientist is my awareness of how little I know and how much there is to be learned. I often forget this though and become an arrogant, ignorant prick thinking that I know better than other people because I have a bit of knowledge of chemistry and other scientific areas.


Words of wisdom. The analogy I use for this is reality being a jigsaw puzzle. We all have different pieces of the puzzle and since none of us have all the pieces, we have to make do with the ones we have. The big picture I form with my pieces might look very different to the picture you form with yours thats why its so easy for 2 people to have very different perspectives on reality. You're dead right that its worthwhile to consider what others have to say because there are things to be learned from them. The problem I have with some people though is when they impose their model of reality onto me. I'll happily learn from their model and what they see but I don't like people trying to force me to adapt to their model because they believe their model is the only true model. Unfortunately I have to conform to other peoples models every day. Mind altering substances are illegal and as a result, I can't readily obtain them. Kinda like a cornered dog attacking whats cornering it, I have no choice but to oppose anti drug people as best I can. I hate seeing other people suffer which is why I also have to oppose the BS I hear from ignorant Americans who believe that everyone should support the "war" in Iraq or ignorant Israelis who believe everyone should support the Israeli state. If these peoples views didn't affect anyone but themselves, I'd have no problem with them but unfortunately their ignorance harms other people. Very true what you said about semantics too. I've observed plenty of times that I openly agree with someone but they get the wrong idea entirely and think I'm disagreeing with them.

You didn't come across as preachy at all. The way you came across to me is you're just honestly speaking your mind in a non judgemental and non condescending way. I agree with everything you wrote there apart from the idea the state you are in most regularly is reality and all other states are not. I learned a good few things from reading your perspective (or your attempt to word out your perspective which is an impossible task given the limited nature of the English language).

Exactly! This is the point I've been trying to get across. It seems to be a commonly held misconception among people who have never tried them that psychedelics provide an escape from reality. The fact of the matter is they do the opposite. They put reality up in your face so you have no choice but to deal with it. I believe ingesting psychedelics is like years of conventional psychotherapy packed into a few hours (or a few minutes in the case of salvia or pure DMT). Like you say, its no quick fix. You have to make all the changes yourself and it can be an exceptionally harsh and painful experience. Not surprising when you think about how much long held problems you deal with in such a short space of time.

While I don't neccesarily condone the use of illegal drugs, I smoke marijuana for medical reasons. I have Crohn's disease, and find that when I get a flare-up it's the only thing that really works.

i have had considerable experience with two of these, not X (which came along after i turned to other interests), & i think it was something that was good for me; at the same time i wouldn't recommend them for others, aspie or not. basically the results are too unpredictable. the original idea, that this could be made into an "experience of the sacred" by means of the proper setting & guidance, i would still endorse providing there were some sort of screening in advance, though even then it becomes another "extreme sport"--with a definite chance of injury. in the chaotic city, among strangers with all their expectations of how to act--no, that only makes for bad vibes & bad trips.

it's too bad that these went through a period of popularization under the most uncontrolled circumstances imaginable. humans could really learn something from investigating such powerful chemicals. but that, i am certain, was a chance--like, perhaps, several others we might have had to salvage this civilization--which is past.

I disagree. I've wandered around big cities on shrooms by myself at 3 in the morning and had a great time. This was in Montreal though, its a hippy town and the odds of getting mugged or assaulted are ridiculously low compared to some cities. Still there are gangs of Haitians that wander the streets in Montreal and have a reputation for being thugs but on shrooms I'd just walk right through them and they wouldn't even look at me. I was having a good trip though and was completely fearless and ready to die, if I was having a bad trip I woulda looked like a victim.

sick of having to think of a subject when all i wanna do is reply ggggggrrrrrrrrrrr.

right, iv taken ritalin at age 12+ for my adhd and i responded well once the dose was right (6 tabs a day) (apparently this was a very high dosage for a child) i found it helped me to concentrate well enough to do well at school. (educationally not socially) after leaving school my bell end older sis got me smokin weed and i felt good on it and with the giggles and new eyes (everything is shinyer/ brighter haha pmsl memories) then i decided to try speed. this effected me differently to my piers, i felt like i was on ritalin again. (oh yh i stopd the ritalin bcos the RAF dont allow it. this fell through and i was no longer recieving my meds. (meds hahhaa. was gona write tabs but ...) after this my sis tried me with half a pill (X2C) and i felt amazing we stayed up all nyt having a heart to heart (just mashed up but at the time it felt like we was making ground breaking discoveries LOL) pills r good every1 loved up, its just that they r not the only effectas. what goes up must come down hence the walking dead feeling the next day. serious ur body just craves life again. tried mushies too 4rt they was bollox, i felt that tripping on sleep deprevation is very similar to the 'trip' u get with lsd (mushrooms). iv taken cocaine aswell this was like extasy but stronger and doesnt keep u 'buzzing' as long
looking back on it, this is not good and wish my sister was never in my life, life was very hard growing up and now its only hard! any question dont hesitate, i mite not reply soon but i will reply

god made a phunky and life made me a c**t

I've no medication all of my life but I have tried LSD, marijuana and ecstacy. I wouldn't dare tell anyone in irl, only a couple of people know about this. My mum is very against illegal drugs, she drummed into my head at very young age that they are bad.

Anyway, I remember as having a life changing effect on me while on LSD, pre-LSD no belief in myself, after LSD realised there is only me and only me is going to fight for me. I know this sounds cheesy but LSD clicked something me that told me to fight back. This was in an empty house with one other person, if you are going to do LSD, do it in a relaxed setting duh.

This was at an important time in my life. I would like to try it again but it is very intense and eye opening.

On marijuana, it is very relaxing if in the right settings. Ecstacy is fun but you get depressed for a week afterwards, especially the day after where you have no moviation to do anything whatsoever.

Mushrooms and LSD carry a risk for a "bad trip" which can be especially severe for some people with asperger syndrome/autism. If it could "cure" autism, it could just as easily screw someone up very, very badly. As far as MDMA, you have no clue what your even getting. Just because a dealer says it's pure doesn't mean it's even really MDMA, you could be getting some sort of bath salt. As far as real MDMA, I can see where you are coming from about the empathy, but I doubt that it is capable of "curing" such a difficult condition to "treat" as autism.

I myself am borderline autistic and have taken an assortment of drugs. Marijuana I have used extensively. When I use it from time to time, it has no real negative effects on me to speak of. When I used it in excess (e.g. stoned constantly) I got quite burnt out for a while and kept falling asleep and had a lot of sleep issues for a while. I have never had any serious issues under the influence. It can sometimes make me more aloof/in my own head temporarily so I would not consider that it cured or even helped my autism.

Hallucinogenics had a similar effect on me compared to others who take them. However, I did have an extremely bad trip that showed me the true dangers of these types of drugs. Hallucinogenics can fry your brain, that's the problem with them. They can do all sorts of incredible things, yet in the process some people get permanently messed up from them. It's a pretty big risk to take them and it would be extremely unusual at best for them to permanently "cure" a condition as impossible to get rid of as autism is. I can see where someone may believe this as someone under the influence of hallucinogens is very sensitive to every little gesture and at least thinks that they have incredible insight into other people. However, a cure for autism it is not

Not going to read thur this entire post right now before I reply, sorry if that poor edic. I have never done X but I have done its close cousin MDA otherwise known as sass.

I was told when I was a little boy that I might be autistic by a pretty young girl who approced me while I was playing a video game. She noticed that I was rocking. I never rocked again from thar day forward. I was always in denial about my autism and hated my self for the way i acted and blamed my self.

Honest to god, if it were not for psychedelics and MDA, I NEVER would have admitted my issue to my self. MDA helped to emotionally prepare me for dealing with the truth. I was in denial about it because I thought "no, i am not one of those people with real problems!" Well come to find out those were my parents thoughts that they put in my brain, I knew that my parents would never accept that I had any real disability, now I know that I have 3.

I have thought about making a long essay type post with regard to what psychedelics have done for me but have put it off. I was on some bunk LSD when I experienced ego death and self actualized my own self and incorporated my deep dwelling knowledge into the fabric of who I am. I remember thinking to my self "this is the first day of the rest of my life." and right at that moment the alarm went off on my phone. Pretty trippy eh?

I haven read thru this thread but I know there are people saying that you should never do these things. Well, those people are wrong, dead wrong. There are a group of people who exist who will just never get it. I am sure that this thread has produced many examples of the terribly brain washed public whos own misconceptions are more unrealistic and fictional than anything any one has ever experienced while tripping.

I have learned a lot form my use of MDA, both about my self, my self perception and in my theory of mind of other people. I have never learned anything from any of the medication my docs have put me on. I have never learned anything from alcohol. I am sure there are a lot of people in this thread talking about how drugs just mask problems. These people are ignorant, psychadelics do not mask anything, they force you to confront your self and your reality. They are not magic, you will not magically learn or improve from taking them, you have to do it your self. The trick is that you can do it in way while taking them that you could never do normally. It took me three years of psychedelic use again to realize I was autstic. (I used them as a teen but in conjunction with other harder drugs). The very first moment I dropped acid again 3 years ago I instantly felt like I was looking for something that could only be seen by the eyes of a lion in the middle of the night if you get my drift. I always had a very very subtle feeling that there was something to find, some barrier to break and that I would find it when I was ready. Holy s**t, I found out im f*****g autistic and dysprexic. Wow, that weird. And since then yes I have been seen by a doc and yes I am on the spectrum. Ever since that awakening my tripps have been different, almost less significant now than before.


Psychedelics are not right for everyone and those people tend to show their stupidity very verbosely and because of that I likely wont even bother to read this thread because of all the dumb people it will bring out. I will leave it at that.

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I have a hard time believing that one dose of ecstasy would make someone 'permanently' more empathetic...also though as far as I know most of us don't actually lack empathy, just have a harder time expressing it. Now I can see ecstasy making it easier to express empathy, while you are high on it but not so much when it wears off.....except in the sense that maybe through taking ecstasy and experiencing that they might sort of learn how to come off more empathetically. I do enjoy it on rare occasions...

Sweetleaf you can learn while on it, you can experience something you couldnt imagine. It doesnt magically change you forever or alter your brain into fixing your theory of mind.

It is next to impossible for to understand peoples verbal communication at an emotional level when they are talking to me, i dont really realize the significance of what people say until i leave and script it in my head while laying on my bed. It is a lot easier for me when there is less than 5 people but there usually is always more than that or there is a lot of excitement and movement going on.

Before doing MDA I literally had absolutely NO IDEA how significantly impaired I am socially. I was completely clueless to the fact that people feel emotions when they talk about s**t together. It was a little startling but I thought it was freaking awesome.

On that note, MDMA is being approved for use on people with autism in 2016. I am sure that when that happens it will magically all of the sudden become a useful tool and not the moral danger and decay of society that people think it is now just because a bunch of stupid teenager died while using it in the 80s. I swear, the fact that some people honestly believe that the law actually regulates whats moral or good for them never fails to amaze me.

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It is also possible to remain aware that smoking marijuana wont make all the problems go away, and will only provide temporary relief....For instance I have found it helpful on numerous occasions where my anxiety has been acting up and it calms me down, it doesn't cure the anxiety issues but will stop that particular anxiety/panic attack or whatever....which I've found useful.

Not so sure there is anything wrong with seeking more of a feeling one enjoys, so long as there is moderation and one isn't destroying them-self to get that feeling.

Every Rx drug that P doc gives out cause a mental fog and only last for as long as you are on them. That is absolutely NOT a valid argument against MJ if you are not going to level the same degree of damnation against anti psychotic drugs at the same time.

People have such stupid inane arguments against things like MJ or LSD and seem oblivious of the fact that everything thing they say to rationalize against them is the exact same for Rx drugs.

Pretty much, medication(drugs) are ok but marijuana and LSD certainly are never ok in any circumstance....

Exactly that.

Read the title and thought what an unbelievably awful idea then realised that its not that cut and dry. On the whole i'd say NO, psychedelics may represent a 30% chance of a life changing experience but there's maybe 30% chance of a life destroying experience then the 40% chance of the typical forgettable stuff.

I wouldnt be willing to take that kind of risk and I think there are better and more reliable ways to treat ASD's. With the heightened sensitivity to just about everything we really should not be taking any substance which could send us spiralling into some sort of hellish nightmare.

I'd also say that there may be a higher risk of addiction among aspies who use substances particularly to treat their symptoms. I dont have any research on this so I could be wrong.

Also does ecstasy help with cognitive empathy? From what ive seen people on the drug wander around hugging everything in sight. They dont seem to experiencing empathic breakthroughs theyre just in love with everything.