Autism & Marijuana: Yes, It Actually Does Help

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Should Marijuana Be Legalized?
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No 13%  13%  [ 23 ]
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03 Nov 2011, 1:50 am

If you could be destined for greatness, so to speak, pot could kill that potential, but not always....

If your destined for mediocrity, daily pot will ease the pain, usually safer, more enjoyable, 100% non toxic with minimal side effects...

I'm strongly of the opinion that cannabis for aspies with anxiety, and hyper states is tremendously the right thing to do, drug options wise

However, many other excellent other herb based options abound, cannabis is the right choice for the right specific condition

10-30% of populations cant be all that wrong, only in regard to abuse and over titration. When cultural integration of weed exists like Nepal or Thailand occurs, not everyone wants cannabis daily

Its health properties are similar to beer, as hops is sister to cannabis

However, injury and drunkenness, football madness, domestic and other unfortunate alcohol side effects, do not apply to stoners, who just do exactly what they are known for. dude 8)

My only issue is well grown buds, peeps keeping usuage down rather than pig out, days off, and method of uptake- smoking, being an out dated, least healthy method of uptake



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03 Nov 2011, 1:56 am

Surfman wrote:
If you could be destined for greatness, so to speak, pot will kill that potential

If your destined for mediocrity, daily pot will ease the pain, usually safer, more enjoyable, 100% non toxic with minimal side effects...

I'm strongly of the opinion that cannabis for aspies with anxiety, and hyper states is tremendously the right thing to do, drug options wise

However, many other excellent other herb based options abound, cannabis is the right choice for the right specific condition

10-30% of populations cant be all that wrong, only in regard to abuse and over titration. When cultural integration of weed exists like Nepal or Thailand occurs, not everyone wants cannabis daily

Its health properties are similar to beer, as hops is sister to cannabis

However, injury and drunkenness, football madness, domestic and other unfortunate alcohol side effects, do not apply to stoners, who just do exactly what they are known for. dude 8)

My only issue is well grown buds, peeps keeping usuage down rather than pig out, days off, and method of uptake- smoking, being an out dated, least healthy method of uptake


So what if one smokes cannabis they cannot accomplish anything great? what about all the awesome music that people who have used and do use cannabis have created?....other then that I agree.



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03 Nov 2011, 9:53 am

Problems like not being able to openly go to a dispensary and choose which variety you want for what will suit you best, inconsistency of the product, and mold growing on improperly tended plants could all be solved if pot could be grown and sold legally. One day, I think people will look back and see that keeping it illegal, and stoking irrational fears in order to get public support for maintaining illegality, were as foolish as thinking tomatoes were poisonous and black cats were evil.

I think we'll never be able to solve the problems created by fossil fuel consumption, deforestation, overuse of resource intensive and toxic methods of cultivation, and other things we do until we can wrap our minds around using hemp instead of oil, wood pulp, corn, and so on. And we'll never be able to use hemp until we get over this bizarre and unreasonable opposition to marijuana.


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03 Nov 2011, 12:05 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Surfman wrote:
If you could be destined for greatness, so to speak, pot will kill that potential

If your destined for mediocrity, daily pot will ease the pain, usually safer, more enjoyable, 100% non toxic with minimal side effects...

I'm strongly of the opinion that cannabis for aspies with anxiety, and hyper states is tremendously the right thing to do, drug options wise

However, many other excellent other herb based options abound, cannabis is the right choice for the right specific condition

10-30% of populations cant be all that wrong, only in regard to abuse and over titration. When cultural integration of weed exists like Nepal or Thailand occurs, not everyone wants cannabis daily

Its health properties are similar to beer, as hops is sister to cannabis

However, injury and drunkenness, football madness, domestic and other unfortunate alcohol side effects, do not apply to stoners, who just do exactly what they are known for. dude 8)

My only issue is well grown buds, peeps keeping usuage down rather than pig out, days off, and method of uptake- smoking, being an out dated, least healthy method of uptake


So what if one smokes cannabis they cannot accomplish anything great? what about all the awesome music that people who have used and do use cannabis have created?....other then that I agree.


More than just some great music, has come from the minds of cannabis users. But also much loss of potential, which is never seen...

Their are also examples of famous non cannabis people who would have benefited by cannabis. People like Anders Brevik

many sports stars love their weed
Arnie and Jack, many other Hollywood stars have used cannabis as a muse on their way to fame and glory, so its not all loss of potential

Losing ones potential is more common with chronic overuse=habitual addiction



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03 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm

As far as the 'feelings' I'd get go, I was always a much bigger fan of mushrooms than pot, heck even alcohol over pot.

That said though I did notice one thing - there was a big difference in the effects that I got from smoking it vs. my friend growing some plants and boiling stems to make green butter. Eating it was a much more enjoyable effect whereas smoking it hit me in a way that I didn't like. A lot of my friends said that they didn't like K2 because it was too edgy/dysphoric, just not a calming experience where I actually preferred smoking K2 to smoking bud, I guess that just goes to show how differently they felt it than I did (and likely, from eating it I felt what they got from smoking). The only times I really enjoyed smoking was when someone had 50% THC hash in a hollowed dutch; in that sense it felt a lot more like a few bumps of ketamine and I didn't get the dumb feeling that often hits me with bud.


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15 Jul 2012, 9:02 pm

Surfman wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly, but your only 19 yrs old, and have yet to experience years of use

I attend a cannabis club, and associate with many many many long term users

Long term, high end users are losers 8O

Memory loss, inability to read a book, emotional and relationship issues caused by long term use are very difficult to shake and take at least 6 months due to cannabis long term action in your body.

If you keep dosage at a controlled lower titration, YOU CAN SUCCESSFULLY LIVE ON CANNABIS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.........1-2 GRAMS A WEEK MAX

Some growers I know do 3-5 grams a day. Out of balance, their lives revolve around buds. They sit and smoke weed all day



While I do agree, cannabis can be overdone. I believe its value comes down to risk vs reward, based on the individual. I know from personal use, it completely absolves my social anxiety, I think clearer and quicker than I ever have been able to before. Additionally, someone mentioned it effects your motor skills. I agree to some degree. I would never dream to drive while high as I would definitely crash. However, and I don't know how to explain this, but I am able to read much quicker and I comprehend much much much better while high. When sober I usually have to read something once or twice to get it, I often forget what I just read etc. But while I'm high, I could honestly read the most complicated text and easily comprehend it, it's as if I can think the way the author was, I really don't know how to describe it. However, marijuana causes gynecomastia for me, and so I have stopped, unfortunately. But, I can say, IMO MJ is a miracle drug, at least for me, and I truly don't understand those who oppose its use. Especially those who oppose it while using prescription drugs. Either way, if it helps you, I don't see a problem using it. However, just don't let it consume your life. No matter your beliefs, and I believe most of us have very limiting beliefs, we all are capable of amazing things in life, much greater than you could dream, and I highly doubt whoever created us, did so so that you can do something as selfish as sit around and get high all day. just my 2 cents



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15 Jul 2012, 10:45 pm

But you ruin your lungs? why would you trade one problem for another? bad lungs, lung cancer?. Its even worse than regular smoking because you keep the smoke in your lungs longer.

Smoking is so disgusting i gotta say, dont care what it is.

Its just ruining such an important vital of your body. Lungs are so important.

Ive heard how people with to much smoking sounds like, they actually sound like Darth Vader. Imagine having to listen to every single breath you take not to mention sounding like a coffee machine.

Its one thing to control and accept your problem, its another being a drug addict which is way way worse.

Atleast here in denmark i would vote no, as a country where its free to go to the doctor and hospital, we cant afford having people with all these bad health problems which they are the cause of, its just to expensive. So no to smoking no matter what it is.



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15 Jul 2012, 10:52 pm

I smoke a lot, and am not very opposed to drug use...but I find it helps me as well. Not so much for the possible AS but it helps me stay more calm and relaxed throughout the day which I like because then I can function better than usual. The only thing that sucks is you can build tolerance to marijuana and then its harder to get the desired effects but luckily its not a very toxic drug so its unlikely to suffer a dangerous and/or fatal overdose.

Also the government probably already knows marijuana is not so bad, chances are someone is making money from it being illegal and our government is benefiting therefore they keep it illegal it has nothing to do with the 'risks' of smoking cannabis its just about money.


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15 Jul 2012, 10:55 pm

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Your social functioning may have improved due to lessened anxiety; but I guarantee you that your executive functioning is going to go down the toilet. Pretty much guaranteed.

I do think we ought to legalize it, but not because I think it's good for you. I just think we ought to stop jailing people for possessing and using a substance that's not even half as dangerous as either cigarettes or alcohol. We're overloading the justice system and giving people drug records for no good reason.


Well that is odd I have been smoking just about daily for over 2 years now and if anything my executive functioning is like 5% better than normal when I have smoked weed. But in my case I have PTSD and anxiety so I get a lot of crap going on in my head or just feel very anxious in general which distracts me from doing things..........but if I smoke that calms it so I can do more and not be slowed down as much.


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15 Jul 2012, 11:01 pm

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I used to smoke weed a LOT. All it ever did was make me lazy and more depressed. It made me feel relaxed for a while, but in the end it wasn't worth it. It also certainly didn't help my speech/social skills. In fact it made it much worse for me!

Also, I agree that the "war on drugs" is nonsense, because it's a total joke! There's practically a drug dealer everywhere you look now. What they need to do is sick the military on them.


Why? some people deal drugs because they have no other way to make money to live on......and you want to send the military after them? If it wasn't illegal then some of these 'dealers' would be considered entrepreneurs for growing drugs like cannabis and then selling them to the 'customers'. Oh no, I feel a rambling about the hypocrisy of society coming on so I'll stop here.


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15 Jul 2012, 11:12 pm

As far as it goes, I would legalize it under a set of laws similar to those used for alcohol and tobacco. However, I want nothing to do with using it myself. I know too many people whose lives have been ruined by it due to their complete lack of executive functioning on the drug. Not only that, but I used to use it myself to deal with insomnia, anxiety and depression. For a time, it worked better than anything else I had been put on. However, after a while, all it did was cause increased paranoia and anxiety with none of the relaxing effect it used to have on me. Thus, I stopped using it and have no desire to ever start using it again.


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15 Jul 2012, 11:49 pm

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Your social functioning may have improved due to lessened anxiety; but I guarantee you that your executive functioning is going to go down the toilet. Pretty much guaranteed.



I have to disagree with you on the EF. I agree it does impair EF in general but there are other things that affect EF. Namely anxiety, sensory issues, and distractability. I have been using it for 4 years and I can tell you that it does improve the overall level of EF for me because the problems it alleviates cause more disruption in my ability to think than the cannabis. The overall effect is improved EF but not greatly so. My ability to perform arithmetic is slightly better, so is my ability to perform routine domestic tasks, and my digit span is slightly improved. I know this is counter-intuitive based on the EF and short term memory effects of cannabis, and I believe they are true for the NT mind, but I believe the benefits outweigh the negatives for SOME autistic people because of the reduction in other symptoms that interfere with EF and overall functioning. I have noticed that the benefits also last for aprox. 24 hours after the psychoactive effect disappears so it isn't necessary to be 'high' all the time to receive the benefits. Smoking or eating before bed is often enough to make it through the next day.

Whatever the case may be I have experienced an improvement in quality of life in the past 4 years.



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15 Jul 2012, 11:57 pm

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As far as the 'feelings' I'd get go, I was always a much bigger fan of mushrooms than pot, heck even alcohol over pot.

That said though I did notice one thing - there was a big difference in the effects that I got from smoking it vs. my friend growing some plants and boiling stems to make green butter. Eating it was a much more enjoyable effect whereas smoking it hit me in a way that I didn't like. A lot of my friends said that they didn't like K2 because it was too edgy/dysphoric, just not a calming experience where I actually preferred smoking K2 to smoking bud, I guess that just goes to show how differently they felt it than I did (and likely, from eating it I felt what they got from smoking). The only times I really enjoyed smoking was when someone had 50% THC hash in a hollowed dutch; in that sense it felt a lot more like a few bumps of ketamine and I didn't get the dumb feeling that often hits me with bud.


Hash tends to have significantly higher levels of CBD which mitigate some of the effects of THC. That may be the reason you prefer the effect of hash.

I just want to add that the problem with cannabis is that people over use it. A medicinal effect takes a small dose. At larger doses the effects can actually be the reverse of small doses.



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16 Jul 2012, 12:17 am

I don't know if it helps with Autism, but it sure helps with Anxiety of all kinds for myself, including Anxiety caused from Autism related issues. I much rather smother pot than take pills.



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16 Jul 2012, 3:07 am

Everyone I've ever met who smoked grass regularly for 10 years or more turned into a total moron.

But, hey, it'll be different for you.


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16 Jul 2012, 10:51 am

Better to eat pot than smoke it. Better to do small amounts than large. Better once or twice a week than more often. Better to cycle through times of use and times of non-use, which occasional stretches of lack of access - sometimes long ones - will cause anyway, than to use it on an ongoing basis; there's no withdrawal to worry about. The response to medicine for someone with a health issue is different from a reaction to totally recreational usage. No drug is good and totally risk free for everyone, even all people with the same health issue. Drug laws are about power, control, money, usually anything but the well-being of the population. Even when people mean well with the laws against drugs, they don't usually do good with those laws. Better to find other ways to approach drug-related problems than to make drugs illegal. Besides, legalization takes the support out from the criminal market; lets people with problems come forward more openly; prevents mixing drug users with other criminals in jail; lets people choose safer drugs more openly, thus decreasing the likelihood of users treating all drugs the same and doing whichever ones they can get their hands on; and allows kids to be told the truth about drugs instead of the same old horror stories designed to simply scare them away from everything, which doesn't work for any drugs once they discover they've been lied to about some.

That's pretty much my argument. It holds regardless of whether one chooses to use pot oneself or not.


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