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08 Nov 2011, 12:52 am

I hope there never is a cure.


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08 Nov 2011, 1:20 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I hope there never is a cure.


You don't have to hope. There never can be a cure. You'd have to rewire an entire persons brain.



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08 Nov 2011, 1:27 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I hope there never is a cure.


You don't have to hope. There never can be a cure. You'd have to rewire an entire persons brain.


That's a good thing in my books. :nerdy:


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08 Nov 2011, 1:29 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I hope there never is a cure.


You don't have to hope. There never can be a cure. You'd have to rewire an entire persons brain.


Gene therapy could possibly change the neuronal and synaptic properties and possibly reshape/restructure the brain over time due to neurogenesis, so it might be possible to cure autism.

It'd definitely be possible to abort autistic fetuses, and I'm pretty sure this is inevitable given the direction that early detection technologies are going.



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08 Nov 2011, 1:45 am

I don't believe in the abortion of any fetuses. I believe that every human life should be protected from conception, right through until natural death. That goes for people who are autistic.


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08 Nov 2011, 8:30 am

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I don't believe in the abortion of any fetuses. I believe that every human life should be protected from conception, right through until natural death. That goes for people who are autistic.


I think we should give every child a good start in life before we decide they must be brought into it. Many parents have good reasons for abortions.

@swbluto: You would never be able to create an NT from an Aspie. Can't just get rid of a life time of experience. It would essentially take away the strengths of autism and leave the person in a position where they now have to cope with normal life despite being overwhelmingly inexperienced. That's no cure. That's even if it works, which it won't. They don't actually know what's 'wrong' with autism. They just know the symptoms.



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08 Nov 2011, 10:02 am

Yeah. I have no problem whatsoever with abortion.
Though I think trying to eliminate Autism is in ignorance of the gifts and creativity that Autistics have to offer society, which is quite sad.


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08 Nov 2011, 10:04 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I don't believe in the abortion of any fetuses. I believe that every human life should be protected from conception, right through until natural death. That goes for people who are autistic.


I think we should give every child a good start in life before we decide they must be brought into it. Many parents have good reasons for abortions.

@swbluto: You would never be able to create an NT from an Aspie. Can't just get rid of a life time of experience. It would essentially take away the strengths of autism and leave the person in a position where they now have to cope with normal life despite being overwhelmingly inexperienced. That's no cure. That's even if it works, which it won't. They don't actually know what's 'wrong' with autism. They just know the symptoms.


I can't imagine that such a person wouldn't experience a nervous breakdown. Our experiences strengthen or weaken certain synaptic networks, and someone who through experience has learned to cope in a certain way would, upon having the impetus for doing so removed, find him or herself with a brain still wired differently.


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08 Nov 2011, 10:43 am

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@swbluto: You would never be able to create an NT from an Aspie. Can't just get rid of a life time of experience. It would essentially take away the strengths of autism and leave the person in a position where they now have to cope with normal life despite being overwhelmingly inexperienced. That's no cure. That's even if it works, which it won't. They don't actually know what's 'wrong' with autism. They just know the symptoms.


Well, it's true there'd be adjustment difficulties but I don't honestly think that...

Increasing the ability to read and understand people's intentions IN REAL TIME.
Increasing the ability to read emotional states and facial expressions IN REAL TIME.
Increasing attention switching speeds.
Among other undeniably beneficial enhancements...

Would be particularly disadvantageous and much of it is certainly not dependent on "experience". (Well, I think... anyways, at least not in the long term.)



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08 Nov 2011, 11:02 am

I take pride in my special interest. My special interest is a part of who I am. I can be consumed in my special interest as much as I wish. God has given me the free will to do whatever I wish. If I wish to immerse myself into my special interest, I can. The biggest problem is that NTs want to snuff our special interests out like a flame on a candle. I refuse to take obsession pills, as well. For somebody to force me to take an obsession pill would be like a crook stealing my Kinks merchandise and pawning it at a pawn shop. No bloody thank you.


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08 Nov 2011, 11:03 am

swbluto wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
@swbluto: You would never be able to create an NT from an Aspie. Can't just get rid of a life time of experience. It would essentially take away the strengths of autism and leave the person in a position where they now have to cope with normal life despite being overwhelmingly inexperienced. That's no cure. That's even if it works, which it won't. They don't actually know what's 'wrong' with autism. They just know the symptoms.


Well, it's true there'd be adjustment difficulties but I don't honestly think that...

Increasing the ability to read and understand people's intentions IN REAL TIME.
Increasing the ability to read emotional states and facial expressions IN REAL TIME.
Increasing attention switching speeds.
Among other undeniably beneficial enhancements...

Would be particularly disadvantageous and much of it is certainly not dependent on "experience". (Well, I think... anyways, at least not in the long term.)


For a tangent in imagination: The "new" experience would gel or crystallize and you'd reach the *Aha* moment - "I get it." Look at J. Robison with that experimental hi-tech therapy - he all of a sudden "got it." ToM gelled within...he understood it at a new level.



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08 Nov 2011, 11:09 am

The problem is that nobody respects life anymore and everybody wants the perfect home, perfect yard, perfect car and perfect kids and if their kids are less than perfect, they abort them. That's why perfection is my biggest pet peeve.


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08 Nov 2011, 11:16 am

I've said enough in this thread. If I say any more, I'm going to lose it. I don't want to become nasty or get myself banned.


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08 Nov 2011, 3:12 pm

NT see us as something that should be eradicated from the gene pool. They are searching for the genes that show autism so they can spot it early enough so that an autistic baby can be aborted before it is too late to eliminated it. If they begin aborting babies that show signs of autism I hope they eliminate every one of them and their enemies embrace the autistic babies born to their society. They deserve to be without great scientists, artists, and engineers while their enemies flourish in a golden age brought to them by autistic minds while the autism killing culture collapses into a degenerate slave race. :twisted:


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08 Nov 2011, 4:05 pm

Some people fear having kids that lie on the floor examining the sides and corners of a block and not hearing anything, will never play on the soccer team, and are mute (i.e. my son) and would abort said child if they could (not me).

While some people might like to find the autistic gene so they can know the baby is autistic, then they can help them develop skills immediately instead of waiting 3 years to have some highly paid expert make some observations, scratch his head and pronounce autism. If it was known that Todesking was an Aspie all along, and knowing what is known now about Autism, how could thing have been different for him?



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08 Nov 2011, 4:08 pm

Todesking wrote:
NT see us as something that should be eradicated from the gene pool. They are searching for the genes that show autism so they can spot it early enough so that an autistic baby can be aborted before it is too late to eliminated it. If they begin aborting babies that show signs of autism I hope they eliminate every one of them and their enemies embrace the autistic babies born to their society. They deserve to be without great scientists, artists, and engineers while their enemies flourish in a golden age brought to them by autistic minds while the autism killing culture collapses into a degenerate slave race. :twisted:


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