autism and heavy metals/vaccinations etc - is this correct?

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Sorry I use ret*d because it's a term people have forced onto my neurology, and I use neurotypical syndrome for the same reason, I believe that I'm autistic and that it's not wrong. I didn't mean to annoy you, sorry.

I fell for an article back in the day that linked Crohn's disease to heavy metal poisoning, so I underwent chelation therapy at home using chlorella algae, coriander and ramsons extracts, zinc supplements, high doses of omega-3 fatty acids, and herbal tonics to strengthen liver and kidney function.

The result? I still have Crohn's disease. I'm also still an aspie. Other than suffering from extreme gallbladder and/or pancreas pain for a while, which proves that natural remedies can have severe side effects too, it didn't do anything at all for me.

Pretty much every chronic condition has been linked to mercury poisoning and amalgam tooth fillings at some point. People desperately want their health conditions to have a clearly defined cause, and of course they want them to be fixable. If only it were this simple.

Well personally I don't believe that I have a health condition, I've just made logical speculations based on what I've seen. I'm going to look into this more....

Firstly I have become bored of typing and have decided to communicate my feelings on the subject via the medium of trance – http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt187904.html

Secondly I have quickly made some questions to initiate some more research - please view and answer to help!! - http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4350787.html#4350787

Interesting video I found, with interesting comments!! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yn4SBNSkg4

Come on people, anyone else researching this??

Some of the comments: -


Quinn was fairly normal in his infancy, until about 1.5 years
• After his first birthday he exhibited unusual behaviors including spinning
• He wasn't talking, even at two years of age
• Holly figured out that Quinn had Autism after reading a book, and then confirmed the diagnosis with the State Department of Education
• By 2.5 years of age Quinn was receiving speech therapy, occupational therapy and Applied Behavior Analysis
• At 2.5 years his first words were, "up, up, up"
• Holly and her husband researched Autism on the Internet and read what other families did, and one of those things was the removal of dairy and gluten; also called the Gluten Free Casein Free Diet
• They discovered Generation Rescue, a website devoted to helping parents understand biomedical treatment and what therapies help reverse Autism
• There are multiple medical problems with most children who have Autism, including severe gut issues as well as heavy metal poisoning
• Removing dairy and gluten from the diet created major improvement for Quinn, including more eye contact and social interaction
• They found a DAN! Doctor - Defeat Autism Now Doctor
• Quinn had constipation and diarrhea, and the DAN! Doctor treated those medical issues
• Quinn went through various detoxification protocols, called Chelation Therapy, using various forms of chelating agents and delivery methods
• They treated the gut dysbiosis (bad microorganisms in the gut) with anti fungal medications and Probiotics (friendly bacteria for the gut)
• They used mild hyperbaric oxygen therapy
• They gave Methyl B12 injections, and they found that the B12 improved speech, and gave him daily doses of the B12 injections
• They rented a hyperbaric oxygen therapy chamber, which helped Quinn immensely
• They did the specific carbohydrate diet
• They did Network Spinal Analysis and Somato Respiratory Integration
• Quinn had huge developmental spurts after doing the biomedical treatment.
• Quinn started Catholic Kindergarten and excelled immediately. In fact, he scored 98th percentile for speech in first grade whereas at 3.5 years he was in the 2nd percentile (via IBS Testing).



That is old news. A large number of autistic children have an abnormality in the MTHFR gene which codes for methionine, which has to do with the methylation system of the body. Methylation is the body's way of getting rid of heavy metals. If you inject a child with heavy metals (like in vaccines), and the body cannot get rid of it, it gets stored in fatty organs like the brain and starts killing brain cells.

Another genetic problem is a mitochondrial disorder. Children with this disorder develop normally, but when subjected to chemicals (like those added to vaccines) that destroy their already-susceptible mitochondria, it destroys the ability of cells to produce energy, so no energy = no growth = autism. You can read "Evidence of Harm" by David Kirby. You can look up medical papers at PubMed by yourself, no need to ask people to babysit you here.

It is still very much appearing to me like people are confusing many things as being the same thing, some things being called "autism" look like environmental effects, many of which are damaging and negative, some things being called "autism" are defective genes, some things being called "autism" are genes which are not defective and are just not being properly tolerated - are being grouped together into this mess they call "autism". That's what it is looking like to me so far....

CazyCatLord: Greetings, my fellow crohnie! I've had it most of my life. Well, IBD anyway. There is always a different dx depending on GI..
Are you refering to what I read? ( the Leaky Gut?)
Interestingly, I see Autism being seen as having genetic components, but needing an enviromental trigger to begin. I believe that is also the current model for Crohn's.
And unfortunately, neither is curable. <sigh>
As for the vaccine factor? If this hypothesis is correct, why aren't there more females with ASDs? That seems to counter it..
On a final note, I believe Asperger saw the entire Spectrum as relating to masculine traits/development.
Sorry, rambling a bit ( up most of the night with my neurotic Jack Russell. It was storming). Kind of tired..

Sincerely,
Matt

No not necessarily, don't focus solely on the vaccine; that's just one small example of foreign elements being introduced into someone's system, there is so much poisoning in our environment - car fumes, cigarettes etc.

Now it could well be that males are much more likely to have the genetic difference of not being able to process these pollutants hence more "autistic" males. I see autism as the genetic difference however and the poisoning as something which is more likely to affect an autistic. Of course I don't know that though - that's just my best speculation so far, it's what my logic is telling me is a strong possibility based on the research I've done so far.

I am going to continue researching this more

Everyone has different genes - that's a fact which people have to understand. And some of these genes are genes which control brain growth and neurological functioning - again - this is a fact!!

But now, so far, my logical conclusion is this - and it's just an initial theory in early infancy so don't be too harsh on me haha!! ! We should be able to speak about these things, to research and theorise...


So now my theory so far -

1. There are healthy genes which are rare, they may cause someone to think differently, perhaps even a brain to grow differently, this is being called "autism" and is wrongfully being classed as an illness by intolerant people. These genes are at huge risk of extinction from those who would seek to pinpoint "autistic" genes and "cure" autism.

2. There are unhealthy/defective genes which are rare, they may have an increased chance of being present if some of the other "healthy" rare genes are also present. These genes are being called "autism". It's important however to realise that if a gene is apparently not functioning properly, it may be different - it may function in a different way which is beneficial but is unknown/unseen - for this reason the eradication/human selection/modification of genes is not advisable compared to compensating for them in other ways

3. There is environmental poisoning and brain damage, it may have an increased chance of affecting someone with some of the "unhealthy/defective" genes, these people may also have some of the rare "healthy" genes. This environmental damage is being called "autism"


4. A lot of autistic people may be a mixture of 1-3 to varying percentages, perhaps some autistic people are only number 1, or are a mixture of 1 and 2 but the different genes in 2 are not presenting any real problems

Its possible. Like I said, this sounds like the current thinking on Crohn's and Colitis.
But its also harmful to keep vaccinations from kids. Recent outbreaks of measels, whooping cough, etc. sure demonstrate that.

Matt

The problem with this hypothesis is that autistic infants show excessive brain growth during the first year of life. The overdeveloped brain stops growing during childhood, earlier than in NT children, and then starts to shrink during adolescence*.

The shrinking is consistent with the idea of neurodegeneration caused by toxic metals, but not the initial overgrowth. Also, neurotoxic heavy metal accumulation should affect the entire brain and lead to symptoms like memory and loss of cognitive function that can't be seen in aspies. AS traits appear to be the result of developmental changes / shortcomings in very specific brain areas rather than systemic neurodegeneration.

*Sources:
http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/ ... -in-autism
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3067149.stm

If the heavy metals start killing brain cells then why is the latest researching showing that autistic children have more brain cells?

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/09/s ... n-neurons/

Yes, they also linked it to the leaky gut syndrome hypothesis Which is very popular among alternative practicioners, but not scientifically validated. I've read many different explanations that were often contradictory. Some link the supposed leaky gut lining to heavy metal poisoning and amalgam tooth fillings, others to dietary problems, and others again to Helicobacter infections or intestinal candida (yeast) overgrowth.

I've tried chelation, tested the so-called paleolithic diet, treated myself with antifungal meds, but nothing helped. But I'm on a new corticosteroid now that has fewer side effects than prednisone. It's called budesonide and is sold under the trade names Entocort and Pulmicort. It doesn't work systemically and only affects a section of the small intestine. In my case, the inflammation is located in the ileum, so budesonide works great for me. I can take it permanently so that I rarely have severe episodes anymore. In addition, I take mesalazine (Salofalk).

I've also found that chamomile tea, incense extract and vitamin B supplements help a great deal. Crohn's patients often have a reduced vitamin B absorption. In addition, I take a probiotic supplement with L. casei bacteria. Lactobacillus casei has anti-inflammatory surface proteins according to recent research, so there is hope that the discovery of these proteins could lead to the development of more effective IBD drugs.

I never got any immunizations as a child due to allergies. I have AS. So, I guess it doesn't cause it. Or, if it does then it would be only one cause of it in some people.

I do know that kids can have very high fevers after some of the shots, and high fevers can at times, cause brain damage. Now, if that's mistaken for low functioning autism, maybe that's how the idea got started.

One of mine was allergic to the pertussis vaccine and has never gotten it again, and on the advice of the doctor, neither have my others.

I don't care for too many vaccines, because I believe they can ruin the immune system. I also think we are vaccinating way too much now. That's just my opinion though and I wouldn't ever try and convince someone else not to vaccinate their child.

Like I said though, these things don't contradict this "theory so far" I've concluded, if anything they seem to go hand in hand with it don't you think?: -

So now my theory so far -

1. There are healthy genes which are rare, they may cause someone to think differently, perhaps even a brain to grow differently, this is being called "autism" and is wrongfully being classed as an illness by intolerant people. These genes are at huge risk of extinction from those who would seek to pinpoint "autistic" genes and "cure" autism.

2. There are unhealthy/defective genes which are rare, they may have an increased chance of being present if some of the other "healthy" rare genes are also present. These genes are being called "autism". It's important however to realise that if a gene is apparently not functioning properly, it may be different - it may function in a different way which is beneficial but is unknown/unseen - for this reason the eradication/human selection/modification of genes is not advisable compared to compensating for them in other ways

3. There is environmental poisoning and brain damage, it may have an increased chance of affecting someone with some of the "unhealthy/defective" genes, these people may also have some of the rare "healthy" genes. This environmental damage is being called "autism"


4. A lot of autistic people may be a mixture of 1-3 to varying percentages, perhaps some autistic people are only number 1, or are a mixture of 1 and 2 but the different genes in 2 are not presenting any real problems


And the quote starting "That is old news" is not mine by the way, it's a comment on a video I copied and pasted - the video is embedded below now

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Also another important thing to note - if the theory that there are "positive" rare genes which can often go hand in hand with "negative" rare genes is correct, eliminating the perceived "negative" rare genes could be a huge mistake - not only could they actually be functioning in unknown ways, and indeed be "different" rather than completely "defective", but (even disregarding this), perhaps future evolutions/mutations etc of them may equally cause new "positive" genes to emerge - another reason compensation should be looked into rather than human gene selection/modification/abortion ("hooray a cure for autism!!") on a mass scale. And before compensation perhaps environmental change is the most important in some cases e.g. the case of defective detoxifying genes and people with these genes having a harder time coping with high levels of toxins from various sources every day.


I'm not a scientist by the way so feel free to tell me I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying and that I should shut up... This is just looking kind of obvious to me though.... I don't mind some logical speculation, it is shocking to me that there doesn't seem to be anyone else looking into this kind of thing!?!

That people - organisations which collect money and employ genetic research - are currently still saying things like "our goal is to find a cure for autism" and "scientists have pinpointed some of the autism risk genes"... that people are having debates about pre-scanning technology for autism and whether abortion is ethical... In the previous video I linked, the woman says how her son's autism was "almost completely cured" after she changed his diet, found he had high levels of metals in his system and detoxified him - It's just unbelievable to me that she's saying removing these toxins "cured autism" - clearly she cured his poisoning and not his "autism", and was left with a much healthier and "properly functioning" autistic? Who just so happens to be in the 98th% for English... Watch the video and tell me what you think? - [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yn4SBNSkg4 [/youtube]