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06 Feb 2012, 6:56 pm

Wait, you mean there are cultures in which disabled people aren't treated like garbage? :?

Canada always sounds so amazing. At times it's like hearing about a lost civilization from some ancient mythology, where gods walked among men and the streets were paved with gold-plated NT skulls.



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06 Feb 2012, 7:16 pm

Yes, espicaly Americans.


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06 Feb 2012, 7:33 pm

all cultures suck. except native americans. and japanese half the time. sometimes they are like otaku and then the other half hate you. and russians are ok too.



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07 Feb 2012, 10:05 am

im not sure about autism in particular but i have made an observation that if someone is more socially awkward, or rather appear to be so, they are more accepted amongst a group of people who are more displaced. what i mean to say is that a population of people who are either immigrants or travel a lot (not big groups that travel together but I'm talking about smaller bunches who move about cause big groups stick too close and tend to not always be open to outsiders, but again it depends from culture to culture) tend to be more open.

now that I have typed this out my statement does seem too general, but I'm not sure how to convey what I'm saying clearly... hmmm... but not necessarily geographically displaced.

also since I'm from India I can tell you that people don't look at mental disability or disorders too kindly. they either see it in one of two ways either you're down right silly and all bonkers or that you're just making excuses, so either way they will look down upon you. and in India being social is actually quite important, so someone not making eye contact or not being too social can be seen as insulting. and some folks really get pissed off if they feel you are being rude since they tend to assume that you are too proud to respond to their "warmth". and when I'm mentioning this I'm actually hinting at associations like friends or co-workers etc. while going shopping or other such activities one can seem 'cold' and get away with it. the funny thing is that if you were to approach people here to have a discussion about autism or learning disorders or depression, etc.. they would engage with you and seem to be friendly and open about it, some idiots will also mention how Indian culture is open to all kinds of differences since millennia, but as soon as it comes down to a practical level, like for example meeting someone with autism and trying to deal with it they can be quite resistant. this irritates me like hell, cause we can go on and have some thousand discussion forums about disability where we rant about how poor standards are and how much the disabled person suffers, but a simple thing such as a ramp to make the university buildings wheel chair accessible, they blindly over look.....



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07 Feb 2012, 12:01 pm

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all cultures suck. except native americans. and japanese half the time. sometimes they are like otaku and then the other half hate you. and russians are ok too.


An autistic person in a traditional Native American or aborigional community was often respected and just seen as a diffrent person. They often became the community shaman when they grew up. They were appricated and not veiwed as defective.


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07 Feb 2012, 12:18 pm

MagicMeerkat wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
all cultures suck. except native americans. and japanese half the time. sometimes they are like otaku and then the other half hate you. and russians are ok too.


An autistic person in a traditional Native American or aborigional community was often respected and just seen as a diffrent person. They often became the community shaman when they grew up. They were appricated and not veiwed as defective.


Don't you need magic powers to become a shaman?



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07 Feb 2012, 2:10 pm

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Native Americans - They keep telling me "You know in our culture autistic people become shamens."



I was about to post something about that. I have a friend who is an Apache shaman, and he once described the traits that a shaman would look for in an apprentice back when they chose young children as apprentices. They match the aspie traits list to the letter!

I've also noticed that other ancient cultures used to put a value on what we would probably consider milder forms of ASD. The greek oracles, the old testament prophets, celtic druids, etc, if you take away the "magic" most of them fit the aspie spectrum. At the same time, aspie meltdowns fit the symptoms of certain types of possession.



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07 Feb 2012, 9:02 pm

White American Culture is presumably biased against 'aspies' on average, and i';d say Black American culture is more biased?


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08 Feb 2012, 1:36 am

The only time I felt discriminated against was when I was talking to one of my school's councilors for the Disabled Students Program. I don't think she had any idea what Asperger's was since she kept talking incredibly slow as if worried that I wasn't going to be able to follow along.

One of my best friends has a brother with Austism. It's severe enough that he speaks, but does not actually verbally communicate (mostly he just repeats what you say to him). The parents are South Korean, but both children were born here. There is no doubt in my mind that these people love their son. I can see how hard they work to get him into a mainstream high school and all the effort they put in to make sure he has the benefits that he needs.

I don't know if things would have been different if the family still lived in Korea, But the world needs more people like them in the world.



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08 Feb 2012, 2:16 am

I'd have to say that by far the most problems I've had of this kind have come from Caucasians (both male and female - usually the more wealthy, snooty types), and Black females (usually the angry, loud, aggressive types). I can't really speak of experiences outside the USA, as I've never traveled outside of it, nor have I spent any significant amount of time with people from other countries to learn their cultures.


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08 Feb 2012, 7:46 am

How about certain subcultures?

I can't imagine for example the celeb-obsessed, partying, football obsessed etc. mainstream subculture (even if it is a large subculture) liking Aspies much.



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08 Feb 2012, 3:20 pm

i'm from Ireland and Aspies in the part I am from are treated as a person with a difference not a outcast or maybe it's just the amount of friends which for an Aspie is very high


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09 Feb 2012, 5:55 pm

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i'm from Ireland and Aspies in the part I am from are treated as a person with a difference not a outcast or maybe it's just the amount of friends which for an Aspie is very high



I'm curious, I read mythology and faerie tales a lot, and some of the descriptions of "changlings" or "faerie children" seem to have a lot in common with ASD. In Ireland, are there still those who would describe an aspie that way?

(I'm not sure I'm phrasing that clearly)



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25 Feb 2012, 12:12 am

I realize through this thread that I am fortunate in being a foreigner in the USA because people are attributing my "weirdness" to me being from another country. When they get quite over judgmental, I am telling them my fav quote which is from a movie the title of which I can't remember. "I may speak with an accent, but I don't think with one".



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25 Feb 2012, 12:25 am

Todesking wrote:
From my 41 years of experience with Autism while living in the United States is that we are hated with a passion. Teachers openly allowed NT students to harrass me, spit on me, beat me up, and even one time set me on fire. When I fought back I was treated and punished far worse than my NT counterparts. On the job I have been tormented without the tormentors being punished so I have had no breaks from the harrassment. The two years I have been without work has been the longest I have ever went without being tormented.
What ass wipes, if I were there, I would've kicked all they're asses. That's just plain messed.


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25 Feb 2012, 1:22 am

Suspie wrote:
I realize through this thread that I am fortunate in being a foreigner in the USA because people are attributing my "weirdness" to me being from another country. When they get quite over judgmental, I am telling them my fav quote which is from a movie the title of which I can't remember. "I may speak with an accent, but I don't think with one".


Mhh I should remember that quote.
I'm also a foreigner here and have some foreign friends here who don't really care about me being different or just take me the way I am. But at work I'm among local people (Chinese) and most of the time they don't seem to realise that I'm not like them, that I don't want to socialise or do everything in a group (lunch, going home together, company outings several times a year) and most of the time I just don't want to talk. My boss has often talked to me asking me to be more talkative and more outgoing and every time I tell her that I'm the way I am and that I cannot change. There seems to be no acknowledgement here for people who do not go along with the crowd or that there even are people who are neurologically different. Everybody just has to be the same.
I haven't told anybody about Asperger's at work because I'm quite sure they wouldn't understand or they would think that I'm making things up. They are even fascinated with me being left-handed, because everybody here writes with their right hand and they looked at me as if I came from outer space when they first saw me writing. wtf. And that is not even a disability.

They don't hate you to your face here, they just either pretend you don't exist (with a physical disability or severe mental disorder) or that you should stop making things up and grow a pair if you are "only" with Asperger's