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25 Feb 2012, 2:06 pm

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So I guess from my perspective I feel like being prideful of having a mental condition does not make a lot of sense and would probably attract negative attention.


I don't think it's necessarily about being proud of the condition itself, but about trying not to let it take away your pride as a person, in general.

And yeah, people do try to treat you as less of a person, which I guess is mostly why there is a need to say that they shouldn't.



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25 Feb 2012, 2:06 pm

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no one is superior to anyone

Obviously. But I've read on WP that Aspies claim to be better than NTs, more than once. I don't know if I don't understand it because I'm new to WP, or I just missed a lot.


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25 Feb 2012, 2:10 pm

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So I guess from my perspective I feel like being prideful of having a mental condition does not make a lot of sense and would probably attract negative attention.


I don't think it's necessarily about being proud of the condition itself, but about trying not to let it take away your pride as a person, in general.

And yeah, people do try to treat you as less of a person, which I guess is mostly why there is a need to say that they shouldn't.


That makes a little more sense, I might understand better if I had more self pride in general. But yeah I guess I just would not see the need to point out that I have aspergers and am proud to people even if I did have more self pride. Like I probably would not go to an Aspergers Pride march if there was one but I can understand not wanting to have less pride in yourself due to having a condition.


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25 Feb 2012, 2:11 pm

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gadge wrote:
no one is superior to anyone

Obviously. But I've read on WP that Aspies claim to be better than NTs, more than once. I don't know if I don't understand it because I'm new to WP, or I just missed a lot.


Well there probably are people like that here, but I know I'm not one of them.


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25 Feb 2012, 2:13 pm

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@ eigerpere,.. "even though I'm gifted"......everyone has strengths and weakness' , and no its not easy but we all have to live with it.


The so-called gift comes at a price that's hardly worth it. Saying I'm gifted doesn't diminish anyone, their special skills or their capabilities. Everyone is equal in my book. I just wish the NT would see it that way too. I think it boils down to their own issues of inferiority that they can't handle it.



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25 Feb 2012, 2:15 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Bun wrote:
gadge wrote:
no one is superior to anyone

Obviously. But I've read on WP that Aspies claim to be better than NTs, more than once. I don't know if I don't understand it because I'm new to WP, or I just missed a lot.


Well there probably are people like that here, but I know I'm not one of them.

But no one will say who they are, or what they said?...


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25 Feb 2012, 2:17 pm

Bun wrote:
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Bun wrote:
gadge wrote:
no one is superior to anyone

Obviously. But I've read on WP that Aspies claim to be better than NTs, more than once. I don't know if I don't understand it because I'm new to WP, or I just missed a lot.


Well there probably are people like that here, but I know I'm not one of them.

But no one will say who they are, or what they said?...


Well I have seen a couple comments about people with AS being superior, don't recall exactly what threads they were in or which posters exactly.


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25 Feb 2012, 2:43 pm

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But no one will say who they are, or what they said?...


I'm probably one of them. As for what I say, not much about pride really, I'm usually just badmouthing NTs in general, and calling their ways idiotic, etc.



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25 Feb 2012, 7:32 pm

Bun wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Bun wrote:
gadge wrote:
no one is superior to anyone

Obviously. But I've read on WP that Aspies claim to be better than NTs, more than once. I don't know if I don't understand it because I'm new to WP, or I just missed a lot.


Well there probably are people like that here, but I know I'm not one of them.

But no one will say who they are, or what they said?...


I've seen at least a couple of threads asking if aspergers/autism is the next step in evolution implying that they are superior to NTs.



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25 Feb 2012, 8:07 pm

I don't actually think I'm superior to anybody else. But sometimes, in my frustration, it feels like it. Just because others treat me differently. THEY have a problem with me, which is illogical, so I in turn have a problem with them. Yes, I stoop to their level. I try not to, but it happens.

As somebody else pointed out, our "gifts" come at a price. Everybody has their plusses and minuses, ups and downs, gifts and weaknesses. So nobody is better than anybody else. My problem with sometimes feeling superior is due to being treated inferior by people making irrational decisions (read idiotic actions). They treat me as an inferior, while at the same time making irrational decisions? Really? Umm. Uhh. It really boggles my mind! It's possible that "sometimes" theirs some jealousy involved? But I think they know they'd rather be like they are, than like we are. I guess they just wish they had it all? Well, for that matter, so do I! :D

Can't we all just get along?! :D



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25 Feb 2012, 8:27 pm

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I don't actually think I'm superior to anybody else. But sometimes, in my frustration, it feels like it. Just because others treat me differently. THEY have a problem with me, which is illogical, so I in turn have a problem with them. Yes, I stoop to their level. I try not to, but it happens.

As somebody else pointed out, our "gifts" come at a price. Everybody has their plusses and minuses, ups and downs, gifts and weaknesses. So nobody is better than anybody else. My problem with sometimes feeling superior is due to being treated inferior by people making irrational decisions (read idiotic actions). They treat me as an inferior, while at the same time making irrational decisions? Really? Umm. Uhh. It really boggles my mind! It's possible that "sometimes" theirs some jealousy involved? But I think they know they'd rather be like they are, than like we are. I guess they just wish they had it all? Well, for that matter, so do I! :D

Can't we all just get along?! :D
I agree with you, Catman. 8O


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25 Feb 2012, 9:19 pm

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Invader wrote:
^ As I said on the previous page, perhaps not all, but many of your difficulties are probably only difficulties because NTs expect you to think and behave in a certain way. They are the source of your exclusion, not the disorder is not fully responsible.

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I'm certainly not one of the aspie/autie pride people; I don't even tell people about my diagnosis. Only a handful of people know. I try not to talk about it much with those people, as well.

For me, being proud of being autistic would be like being proud of being white or male or tall. I didn't do anything to be that way, so I don't take pride in it. I tend to take pride in things I have earned.


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I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment.


I completely agree with this when it comes to things like national pride. It's ridiculous to be proud of something which you had no influence over, such as where you were born, and brag about it for no reason.

However, with something like "aspie pride", I think the kind of pride being discussed is different. It's not necessarily about them having accomplished something, it's simply a rejection of the NT idea that there is something wrong with them, and that they should be considered inferior.

When people talk about having pride in themselves, what they often mean is that they have their dignity, and won't allow themselves to be treated like less of a person than anyone else.


Well I agree people should not be considered inferior for having AS or any other mental condition really, but considering it can interfere with ones ability to function I don't think its too inaccurate to say there is something wrong with someone who has such a condition.

Also sometimes regardless of what one wants to allow or disallow, people can still treat them like less of a person if they would like to. Its not right but it happens. So I guess from my perspective I feel like being prideful of having a mental condition does not make a lot of sense and would probably attract negative attention.


I believe that some people are missing some things here. While I agree that having a disorder in and of itself is nothing to be proud of, I think that aspies should be proud of the fact that many people with AS or who have been suspected of having AS (Lincoln, Marie Curie, Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams) have made successes of themselves as well as valuable contributions to society. I think that aspies should also be proud of the fact that they too are in a position make great contributions toward humanity.

While I don't consider myself great by any stretch of the imagination, when I look at that uniform in the closet with its four rows of ribbons and those gold major's oak leaves on the shoulders, and what those things represent, I get a really good feeling of acomplishment from them. I like to think that all of us have accomplished something worth remembering in our lives. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

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25 Feb 2012, 9:37 pm

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Sweetleaf wrote:
Invader wrote:
^ As I said on the previous page, perhaps not all, but many of your difficulties are probably only difficulties because NTs expect you to think and behave in a certain way. They are the source of your exclusion, not the disorder is not fully responsible.

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I'm certainly not one of the aspie/autie pride people; I don't even tell people about my diagnosis. Only a handful of people know. I try not to talk about it much with those people, as well.

For me, being proud of being autistic would be like being proud of being white or male or tall. I didn't do anything to be that way, so I don't take pride in it. I tend to take pride in things I have earned.


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I don't really see any reason to be proud of something that is not an accomplishment, being born with a mental disorder is not an accomplishment.


I completely agree with this when it comes to things like national pride. It's ridiculous to be proud of something which you had no influence over, such as where you were born, and brag about it for no reason.

However, with something like "aspie pride", I think the kind of pride being discussed is different. It's not necessarily about them having accomplished something, it's simply a rejection of the NT idea that there is something wrong with them, and that they should be considered inferior.

When people talk about having pride in themselves, what they often mean is that they have their dignity, and won't allow themselves to be treated like less of a person than anyone else.


Well I agree people should not be considered inferior for having AS or any other mental condition really, but considering it can interfere with ones ability to function I don't think its too inaccurate to say there is something wrong with someone who has such a condition.

Also sometimes regardless of what one wants to allow or disallow, people can still treat them like less of a person if they would like to. Its not right but it happens. So I guess from my perspective I feel like being prideful of having a mental condition does not make a lot of sense and would probably attract negative attention.


I believe that some people are missing some things here. While I agree that having a disorder in and of itself is nothing to be proud of, I think that aspies should be proud of the fact that many people with AS or who have been suspected of having AS (Lincoln, Marie Curie, Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams) have made successes of themselves as well as valuable contributions to society. I think that aspies should also be proud of the fact that they too are in a position make great contributions toward humanity.

While I don't consider myself great by any stretch of the imagination, when I look at that uniform in the closet with its four rows of ribbons and those gold major's oak leaves on the shoulders, and what those things represent, I get a really good feeling of acomplishment from them. I like to think that all of us have accomplished something worth remembering in our lives. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

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I don't know that does not really make me feel any pride for being an individual with AS....but I guess I can see what you mean, I just don't see it that way.


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25 Feb 2012, 9:37 pm

Same as the NT population, some folks get lucky breaks and isn't always a matter of incredible skill, talent or capability, though it plays a part. Spectrumites have a much bigger mountain to climb, and it's a spectrum so the climb is that much more steep for some than it is for others on the spectrum. I'm mostly saying it's tough to have talents and not have the skills needed to promote oneself. And having to depend on others can be an absolute nightmare.



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25 Feb 2012, 9:49 pm

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Same as the NT population, some folks get lucky breaks and isn't always a matter of incredible skill, talent or capability, though it plays a part. Spectrumites have a much bigger mountain to climb, and it's a spectrum so the climb is that much more steep for some than it is for others on the spectrum. I'm mostly saying it's tough to have talents and not have the skills needed to promote oneself. And having to depend on others can be an absolute nightmare.
The word Spectrumite makes me feel like a Termite or a Mineral of some kind. :cry:


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25 Feb 2012, 9:54 pm

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Same as the NT population, some folks get lucky breaks and isn't always a matter of incredible skill, talent or capability, though it plays a part. Spectrumites have a much bigger mountain to climb, and it's a spectrum so the climb is that much more steep for some than it is for others on the spectrum. I'm mostly saying it's tough to have talents and not have the skills needed to promote oneself. And having to depend on others can be an absolute nightmare.


While I don't believe in luck, I do agree with the position about the bigger mountain to climb. I can remember listening to the Kermit the Frog song "It's Not Easy Being Green." They ought to do one about how hard it is to be an aspie.

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