Page 3 of 4 [ 55 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Surfman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Aug 2010
Age: 62
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,938
Location: Homeward bound

18 Mar 2012, 7:20 pm

SpongeBobRocksMao wrote:
Well, sometimes I wonder if those "friends" are actually scared of the bully too, and for that reason befriend that bully, so they don't end up bullied themselves. Perhaps it's a silly theory, but I still wonder.


Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

The downside is infection, or corruption of the spirit by the beast

I mean bully :roll:



CanisMajor
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 271
Location: Miami Beach

18 Mar 2012, 7:41 pm

Surfman wrote:
SpongeBobRocksMao wrote:
Well, sometimes I wonder if those "friends" are actually scared of the bully too, and for that reason befriend that bully, so they don't end up bullied themselves. Perhaps it's a silly theory, but I still wonder.


Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

The downside is infection, or corruption of the spirit by the beast

I mean bully :roll:


I always hope these kids grow up and realize what a mistake they made. I know a few of them who say they have, and they're actually pretty friendly and open-minded today. Oddly though, I've only ever heard one person apologize, and that was my boyfriend saying he was sorry to a kid he (and everyone else) used to pick on in summer camp. We're friends with the kid now (he's actually autistic, too.) I know a lot of people come to their senses eventually, but wouldn't it be nice if more actually apologized? I think I'd be moved to tears if some of the people who once pushed me around came up to me with a genuine apology. I wonder why it's so rare? (Besides the fact that a lot of people lose touch, that is.)



Surfman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Aug 2010
Age: 62
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,938
Location: Homeward bound

18 Mar 2012, 8:07 pm

A part of them wants to

Some(most?) of my bullies are consumed from within and want the guilts to stop. Maybe some get cancer, have accidents 8O

If that part that wants to make amends for being a bully is too small for the part that says 'screw this and screw you' ..... no coming forward to heal the past will eventuate.

maybe after a spiritual awakening, or the spectre of imminent death from disease, may see NT's apologising if your lucky



LennytheWicked
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Oct 2011
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 545

18 Mar 2012, 9:05 pm

They have high serotonin levels; high serotonin makes them more social AND more aggressive.



c0bo
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 29 Jan 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 67
Location: London UK

18 Mar 2012, 9:09 pm

That's Interesting,

When I was in secondary school I was bullied a lot and I always wonder why the bullies had a lot friends and the girls but I sadly didn't.

I guess it's because the 'friends' of the bullies want to be a part of the pack and they don't want to be bullied themselves.



League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,302
Location: Pacific Northwest

18 Mar 2012, 9:14 pm

CanisMajor wrote:
Surfman wrote:
SpongeBobRocksMao wrote:
Well, sometimes I wonder if those "friends" are actually scared of the bully too, and for that reason befriend that bully, so they don't end up bullied themselves. Perhaps it's a silly theory, but I still wonder.


Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

The downside is infection, or corruption of the spirit by the beast

I mean bully :roll:


I always hope these kids grow up and realize what a mistake they made. I know a few of them who say they have, and they're actually pretty friendly and open-minded today. Oddly though, I've only ever heard one person apologize, and that was my boyfriend saying he was sorry to a kid he (and everyone else) used to pick on in summer camp. We're friends with the kid now (he's actually autistic, too.) I know a lot of people come to their senses eventually, but wouldn't it be nice if more actually apologized? I think I'd be moved to tears if some of the people who once pushed me around came up to me with a genuine apology. I wonder why it's so rare? (Besides the fact that a lot of people lose touch, that is.)



Why apologize if people are going to think it's BS and won't forgive you?



CockneyRebel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 118,420
Location: In my little Olympic World of peace and love

18 Mar 2012, 9:28 pm

It's not that they have all those friends. Bullies have a wolf pack mentality. They like to form a pack and gain up on the most vulnerable members of society. I'm speaking from experience. I've been bullied and teased a lot.


_________________
The Family Enigma


Aprilviolets
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,138

18 Mar 2012, 10:33 pm

I know that one girl who bullied me was disliked at the place I worked in which was good news for me. I remember one of my bosses said they wanted to get their hands on her because she was trouble.



CaptainTrips222
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,100

18 Mar 2012, 11:28 pm

Zexion wrote:
I have had teachers who knew that I was being bullied by the whole class and that I had low self esteem and they made fun of me infront of the class and I have never had a teacher who gave a monkeys about me being bullied.


God that's horrible. I had a few teachers bully me too. F**king scum of the Earth.



Falloy
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 1 Dec 2011
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Posts: 355

19 Mar 2012, 5:33 am

CanisMajor wrote:
Isn't it great when the adults side with the bullies? Okay, I get it, you say I act different. Mind actually explaining what I'm doing wrong so I can, you know, change it? And don't just tell me some broad excuse like, "You have an attitude" or "You talk too much." I don't know what "an attitude" is. I don't hear myself as talking any differently from how anyone else talks. If I'm talking too much, how about helping me determine at what point I should stop talking? If the kid doesn't automatically pick up on these social cues, what in the world makes you think just stating the problem will fix it? The kid's aware these are the issues. They just don't know how to fix them. Pssst! This is the point where you, the counselor, is supposed to step in and help the child!


I was bullied badly at Secondary school and always got the impression that the teachers sided with the bullies. Especially my House Master who told me "There must be pretty damned fundamental wrong with you if they are all doing it". I was about 14 at the time and that really damaged my self esteem.

There were also times when people who weren't directly involved in the bullying would come to me when they were on their own and say "don't worry about it - they're idiots". However, when the ringleaders were around these same people would join in!

True, I may have been a bit awkward and a bit immature (which may or may not have been related to Aspergers) but I wasn't a nasty kid who was "asking for it". It's only now, thirty years later that I'm coming to realise that it wasn't my fault.



DJFester
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Dec 2009
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,084
Location: Minneapolis MN USA

19 Mar 2012, 6:45 am

Bullies have so many friends because of two things. Fear and peer pressure.


_________________
You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks.


DanRaccoon
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2012
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 871
Location: England

19 Mar 2012, 7:23 am

Zexion wrote:
It seems to me sometimes that the more idiotic you are, the more friends you get. Why did many of the people who bullied me a lot have so many friends and why were they so popular? Anyone else ask themselves this?


c***s tend to band together, just as flies swarm around s**t. It's the nature of the universe.


_________________
Please, if you are a female don't PM, IM or contact me in anyway. This isn't a joke, I've just simply had enough of all of you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DanRaccoon


c0bo
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 29 Jan 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 67
Location: London UK

19 Mar 2012, 10:08 am

Falloy wrote:
CanisMajor wrote:
Isn't it great when the adults side with the bullies? Okay, I get it, you say I act different. Mind actually explaining what I'm doing wrong so I can, you know, change it? And don't just tell me some broad excuse like, "You have an attitude" or "You talk too much." I don't know what "an attitude" is. I don't hear myself as talking any differently from how anyone else talks. If I'm talking too much, how about helping me determine at what point I should stop talking? If the kid doesn't automatically pick up on these social cues, what in the world makes you think just stating the problem will fix it? The kid's aware these are the issues. They just don't know how to fix them. Pssst! This is the point where you, the counselor, is supposed to step in and help the child!


I was bullied badly at Secondary school and always got the impression that the teachers sided with the bullies. Especially my House Master who told me "There must be pretty damned fundamental wrong with you if they are all doing it". I was about 14 at the time and that really damaged my self esteem.

There were also times when people who weren't directly involved in the bullying would come to me when they were on their own and say "don't worry about it - they're idiots". However, when the ringleaders were around these same people would join in!

True, I may have been a bit awkward and a bit immature (which may or may not have been related to Aspergers) but I wasn't a nasty kid who was "asking for it". It's only now, thirty years later that I'm coming to realise that it wasn't my fault.


I have suffered the same, when I was at Secondary school there was a few boys who would say hi or act friendly towards me but when they had a audience they would taunt me, there audience will start laughing and join in or when a bully starts taunting me they would join in and start laughing like a pack of Hyenas.

Once I was being bullied in Science, the bully was taunting me, having fights with me, the other kids were either laughing at me or staring at me and the entire time while this happening the teacher and teacher's assistant was there and did nothing to stop anything.



LabPet
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Jan 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,389
Location: Canada

19 Mar 2012, 2:20 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Zexion wrote:
I have had teachers who knew that I was being bullied by the whole class and that I had low self esteem and they made fun of me infront of the class and I have never had a teacher who gave a monkeys about me being bullied.


God that's horrible. I had a few teachers bully me too. F**king scum of the Earth.


Yes, that's just unspeakably cruel. I do know what that's like :( So sorry, Zexion - you sure deserved better.

Surfman, awesome picture 8)

I think, in sum, that our (aka Aspie) definition of friend is more true & accurate. Really, those 'friends' of bullies don't meet the criteria. Therefore, we're comparing apples to oranges, if you know what I mean. There is an element of dominance/submission for them, isn't there? Like a weird dominatrix relationship.


_________________
The ones who say “You can’t” and “You won’t” are probably the ones scared that you will. - Unknown


AspieOtaku
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Feb 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,051
Location: San Jose

19 Mar 2012, 5:13 pm

because they get the idea that hanging out with the bullies makes them less likely the target of being bullied themselves and the false idea that they are cool.


_________________
Your Aspie score is 193 of 200
Your neurotypical score is 40 of 200
You are very likely an aspie
No matter where I go I will always be a Gaijin even at home. Like Anime? https://kissanime.to/AnimeList


League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,302
Location: Pacific Northwest

19 Mar 2012, 5:42 pm

Goodness, if I knew in my childhood that being a bully makes kids afraid of you so they be your friend, I may have tried and to be the worst bully as possible so everyone be afraid of me and be my friend. But I bet that would have also failed just like me bullying didn't make kids think I was cool and not stupid and think I was just as good as them so bam they all like me and accept me and be my friend and stop making fun of me.