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26 Mar 2012, 10:59 am

@verdani What I actually heard him say (on The Coffee Klatch) was that 20-60% of those on the Autism spectrum have ADHD but that confused me a bit!

Is is 20%, 60%, somewhere in the middle - was he referring to the results of different surveys/studies/research?????

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26 Mar 2012, 11:07 am

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I solidly meet the criteria for inattentive type ADHD, and I just barely miss meeting the criteria for combined type. If I were diagnosed under the DSM-5, I would easily meet the criteria for combined type.

I notice people say "I can't have ADHD, I don't have an attention deficit." ADHD is called "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" but the name is a misnomer - it isn't actually an attention deficit. You could call it an intention deficit disorder or a motivation deficit disorder, or an executive dysfunction disorder, or even a self-regulation deficit disorder, but it's not characterized by a short attention span or a true attention deficit. Calling ADHD "attention deficit" is like saying autism is all about flapping hands.

For me, ADHD isn't about how long I can pay attention to something at all. I can pay attention to things for hours. It is about - to some extent - controlling how I direct my attention, intentions, motivations, etc. The problems it causes for me are related to impulsiveness (I often do and say things without thinking, purchase things I don't need without really thinking about whether I can afford it, etc.), organization, doing anything I find to be boring, shifting my attention from things I like. I can't plan very well - when I clean a room, my plan is fairly haphazard and tends to involve shifting from one task to the next without making a lot of headway, and without really knowing which part I should do first, or next. Usually, what motivates me is that I need to find something I lost, or I need to have a room clean by a certain day for various reasons, but even then I don't manage it very well. I lose things all the time. I don't do it as much, but I used to set things down and then spend hours trying to find them again. Nowadays, it's more like I don't have as much stuff to keep track of and therefore lose.

I remember occasions when I set out to clean up a room to find a specific thing - a pair of shoes for example. Once I found the shoes, the motivation to continue cleaning simply evaporated. I couldn't prioritize it above other things I wanted to do, which made it difficult to push forward with the cleaning task, even though I actually did want to finish.

It impacts my sense of time, as in I barely have one. I am really good at guessing what time it is, but I am terrible at knowing how much time has passed. To me, I may feel like only a few minutes have passed, but in reality hours have. Further, I don't really have a strong sense of "the future." I mostly have a sense of "now," with a somewhat faint sense of "tomorrow" followed by "next week to next month." Anything past that might as well be never as far as how I think about it.

I think some of this is autism and some of this is ADHD. And some is both. But mostly, ADHD is a lot of things that aren't best described as "attention deficit."


Interesting post. I was going to post to this thread to say I don't have ADHD.
But reading this ... now I'm not so sure. But I haven't picked up the label yet.


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26 Mar 2012, 11:15 am

Well I had been told that I was diagnosed as ADD, so my reason for saying that I had ADD not ADHD was being misinformed :?


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26 Mar 2012, 11:23 am

Blindspot149 wrote:
@verdani What I actually heard him say (on The Coffee Klatch) was that 20-60% of those on the Autism spectrum have ADHD but that confused me a bit!

Is is 20%, 60%, somewhere in the middle - was he referring to the results of different surveys/studies/research?????

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There are several different studies with different results. I think the ones I read ranged from 60 to 75%.



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26 Mar 2012, 11:54 am

Verdandi wrote:
Blindspot149 wrote:
@verdani What I actually heard him say (on The Coffee Klatch) was that 20-60% of those on the Autism spectrum have ADHD but that confused me a bit!

Is is 20%, 60%, somewhere in the middle - was he referring to the results of different surveys/studies/research?????

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There are several different studies with different results. I think the ones I read ranged from 60 to 75%.


I find my particular version of Autism is very helpful in my work, in fact it is at the core of my skill set.

ADHD on the other hand predisposes to nothing positive and productive in my life.

I am hoping that Strattera helps me to manage the ADHD better.

I am quite optimistic as Strattera is a reuptake inhibitor and Lexapro, also a reuptake inhibitor, has worked very well in treating my dysthymia and low level anxiety.

My clinical Psychologist mentioned that there is a cross-over enhancing effect when Lexapro and Strattera are both being taken.


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26 Mar 2012, 12:14 pm

I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.



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26 Mar 2012, 12:34 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.


I disagree a bit.
ADHD has Hyper-focus! That can be good.
It also seems that many people with ADHD are highly creative.

Other than that I agree.



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26 Mar 2012, 12:44 pm

Ecl713 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.


I disagree a bit.
ADHD has Hyper-focus! That can be good.
It also seems that many people with ADHD are highly creative.

Other than that I agree.


Hyper-focus is generally linked to autism more than ADHD


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26 Mar 2012, 1:29 pm

Alexender wrote:
Ecl713 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.


I disagree a bit.
ADHD has Hyper-focus! That can be good.
It also seems that many people with ADHD are highly creative.

Other than that I agree.


Hyper-focus is generally linked to autism more than ADHD


That's odd, I thought it was well known that people with ADHD have the ability to Hyper-focus. But it's mostly on TV and video games. Not on subjects like Neurology, Psychology, and Deductive reasoning such as I do.



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26 Mar 2012, 1:32 pm

Ecl713 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.


I disagree a bit.
ADHD has Hyper-focus! That can be good.
It also seems that many people with ADHD are highly creative.

Other than that I agree.


Hyperfocus can be good, but it can also be bad.

I am not sure I believe the "highly creative" aspect. The science I've seen doesn't really support it.



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26 Mar 2012, 1:54 pm

I have classic autism, and am definitely not adhd.


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26 Mar 2012, 1:58 pm

Ecl713 wrote:
Alexender wrote:
Ecl713 wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.


I disagree a bit.
ADHD has Hyper-focus! That can be good.
It also seems that many people with ADHD are highly creative.

Other than that I agree.


Hyper-focus is generally linked to autism more than ADHD


That's odd, I thought it was well known that people with ADHD have the ability to Hyper-focus. But it's mostly on TV and video games. Not on subjects like Neurology, Psychology, and Deductive reasoning such as I do.


Oh, I wasn't thinking of videogames and tv when you said that. But other than that my statement is valid (not trying to say I am still right, just explaining my reasoning)


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26 Mar 2012, 2:35 pm

I do not have ADHD, but my son has been diagnosed with both.


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26 Mar 2012, 3:09 pm

I have Asperger's Syndrome and Epilepsy but don't have ADHD.



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26 Mar 2012, 3:28 pm

I have AS but I'm not ADHD. Sometimes I wonder if I have got ADHD though, but it might be wishful thinking.

I'm one of those people who is unhappy with everything I'm born with, physically or mentally. I tend to pine to have or be something else, whether it's worse than I've got or not.


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26 Mar 2012, 4:05 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I don't think ADHD has anything good associated with it, very much unlike autism.


If that's true, the association of ADHD with countless good attributes might be a somewhat German phenomenon.

They're described as:

empathic, intuitive (socially intuitive), creative and/or imaginative, kind, have "out of the box"-thinking and/or unique perspectives, are good at working in teams, are social/the life of the party (for those with hyperactivity), like to help other people, good at multitasking (I bed to differ...), hard working, versatile, good talkers and interesting conversational partners, good at sports (referring to those with "severe" hyperactivity which I think is rubbish considering how many accidents someone with bad hyperactivity can have)

That's all I can think of but I am certain that I covered the most commonly positive traits associate with ADHD as far as the claims of German people and German written material goes.

Is it that different in the US?

ADHD here is commonly treated like wearing glasses, meaning people will say "no, ADHD isn't a disorder". The majority of those who have it or whose children have it will claim that it isn't a disability because you can learn around it if you try hard enough and then live normally as an adult. Except for "severe cases", every time I ask that someone says that the "most severe cases" probably don't fare as well (whatever a "most severe case" is).

The positive view is basically nice but it gets a bit overboard at times.


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