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Which part of Asperger do you meet
DSM 4: both; DSM 5: both 80%  80%  [ 45 ]
DSM 4: both; DSM 5: social deficits only 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
DSM 4: both; DSM 5: repetitive behavior only 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
DSM 4: both; DSM 5: neither 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
DSM 4: social deficits only; DSM 5: both 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: social deficits only; DSM 5: social deficits only 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
DSM 4: social deficits only; DSM 5: repetitive behavior only 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: social deficits only; DSM 5: neither 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
DSM 4: repetitive behavior only; DSM 5: both 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
DSM 4: repetitive behavior only; DSM 5: social deficits only 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: repetitive behavior only; DSM 5: repetitive behavior only 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: repetitive behavior only; DSM 5: neither 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: neither; DSM 5: both 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: neither; DSM 5: social deficits only 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: neither; DSM 5: repetitive behavior only 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
DSM 4: neither; DSM 5: neither 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 56

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08 Jul 2012, 11:14 pm

Here are the DSM IV criteria for Aspergers:

[The following is from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM IV]

(I) Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(A) marked impairments in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(B) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(B) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(D) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects


(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

(IV) There is no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)

(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

(VI) Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia."


After reading through this again, I can say that I do fit the DSM IV criteria for Aspergers, but not the DSM V criteria for Autism.


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10 Jul 2012, 7:01 am

Jtuk wrote:
Roman wrote:
The poll results are very surprising, considering that one study shows that MOST ppl will get undiagnosed (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/3 ... 41495.html):

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In her study, Mattila surveyed a sample of more than 5,000 Finnish schoolchildren and identified 26 eight-year-olds with an IQ of 50 or higher who qualified for autistic disorder in the DSM-IV. Of those 26, only 12 qualified for ASD in the DSM-5.


Also since the IQ range of that study was ''50 and higher'' this implies that at least some of the ppl studied were low functioning. So its pretty weird that low functioning ppl get undiagnosed while high functioning people on Wrong Planet do not. Either ppl on Wrong Planet are biased against being undiagnosed, or else there might be some ''inverse correlation'' in that people with higher IQ get more pronounced symptoms?


The ASSQ (used in this study) doesn't include anything on sensory issues, yet that is a new factor in the DSM V.

So special interests + sensory issues = meets criteria for part B. It is the lack of stereotyped movements and routines that could have potentially excluded people.

Surely based on what we all know, that sensory issues are extremely common this would actually increase the levels of diagnosis compared to DSM IV?

This if an obvious flaw evident from reading the abstract. If you are proposing a study of DSM V, then you should use a survey that incorporates all the behaviours that are incorporated in the DSM V. The ASSQ is a poor choice.

Jason.


Sensory issues is the prime example of autistic trait that I don't have. So I am surprised that you said they are so common. In my case my issues are social difficulties and special interests (both quite extreme) while sensory issues are absent altogether.



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10 Jul 2012, 7:06 am

They are extremely common.