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21 Jul 2012, 3:25 pm

For those who enjoy fiction about serial killers, I'd recommend "Exquisite Corpse" by Poppy Z. Brite.


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21 Jul 2012, 5:09 pm

Yes, I wentthorougha very intene time when serial killers were my special interest. I read true crime book all the time and was really into forensic science. I used to read all about body decomp and manner of death etc. It was a special interest for 4 years or so. I have sort of moved on though when a new story breaks, like the colorado incident, I too am glued to CNN.


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21 Jul 2012, 5:46 pm

One of my interests are serial killers, killers, sociopathy and psychopathy. I watched lots of documentaries online, I've read tons of books and articles about it. It fascinates me very much. I don't know why. I also know my interest bothers people. It's just really interesting.
I also find other "bizarre" things interesting. Like death, how bodies decompose..for example the body farms, my mum would be grossed out, but I'm just interested.


I suppose the good thing is that I'm a peaceful person and would probably never be able to hurt some one intentionally. I can't even be mean towards people.



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21 Jul 2012, 5:52 pm

I guess...but not like THAT.

There is this Scottish girl with AS on another forums I use and I have her as a friend on Facebook. She has a seemly unhealthy obsession with serial killers and necrophiles.


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21 Jul 2012, 6:10 pm

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Anybody ever wonder why gang members that commit multiple murders aren't usually referred to as "serial killers"? :?


Completely different, IMO, gang violence is exactly that, gang violence.
Gang violence and people that kill over money, I find really boring. There's no psychology there, other than these people value money more than they value human life.
With gangs it seems to be a territorial/ dominance thing, or something regarding money or drugs.

Serial killers seem to have little to no empathy, they can pass lie detector tests and generally feel no guilt, and often keep "trophies" of their victims. They generally have the same MO, often leaving little signatures to help identify them as the killer, for some killers it seems to be almost like a game, or a hobby. The interesting thing, at least to me, is no one really knows if a person can be born without empathy, or if they lost it somewhere in their young environment.
There are serial killers that grew up with apparently perfect, uneventful lives, and killers who grow up with severe abuse, so how can anyone really know?
That kind of psychology can help you realise that even you may unwittingly know a serial killer.



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21 Jul 2012, 6:57 pm

Jasmine90 wrote:
Venger wrote:
Anybody ever wonder why gang members that commit multiple murders aren't usually referred to as "serial killers"? :?


Completely different, IMO, gang violence is exactly that, gang violence.
Gang violence and people that kill over money, I find really boring. There's no psychology there, other than these people value money more than they value human life.
With gangs it seems to be a territorial/ dominance thing, or something regarding money or drugs.

Serial killers seem to have little to no empathy, they can pass lie detector tests and generally feel no guilt, and often keep "trophies" of their victims. They generally have the same MO, often leaving little signatures to help identify them as the killer, for some killers it seems to be almost like a game, or a hobby. The interesting thing, at least to me, is no one really knows if a person can be born without empathy, or if they lost it somewhere in their young environment.
There are serial killers that grew up with apparently perfect, uneventful lives, and killers who grow up with severe abuse, so how can anyone really know?
That kind of psychology can help you realise that even you may unwittingly know a serial killer.


A couple definitions for "serial killer" at dictionary.com are:"a person who carries out a series of murders" and "someone who murders more than three victims one at a time in a relatively short interval".

Many gang members obviously fit that criteria. I guess that makes the term sound too simple and non-dramatic though. :roll:



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21 Jul 2012, 7:27 pm

I guess in the literal sense, yes, they would be considered serial killers, but modern culture has always had this image of a typical sole troubled killer, either someone who stands out in society or blends right in.

Gangs usually find strength in numbers, they seem to enjoy intimidation and often commit murder and crime as a group. I don't think they lack empathy, it's just their lifestyle, and anyone can learn to adapt to almost any way of life if they're in that environment long enough. Gangs often consider themselves part of one big family, they look out for each other and seek revenge when they feel it's due.
In fact, I would relate them more to wild, predatory animals than serial killers.

A serial killer such as Dahmer is the polar opposite, so I think it's only reasonable to separate the two since their motive to kill is usually very different.

At least I wouldn't lump them in the same category, simply because they commit serial murders.



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21 Jul 2012, 7:41 pm

I suppose the people they murder are often killers themselves too.



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21 Jul 2012, 7:54 pm

I do have an interest in Psychology. Serial Killers are not a very big interest of mine, but I have been looking at the recent tragedy where "The Joker" James Holmes used an AR15, 12gauge shotgun, two Glock .40 caliber hand guns, 6,000 rounds and I think shot 71 people, so far 12 have died and many are critical in the hospital. This is still ongoing. Also his apartment is rigged with a web of explosives.

It was at the first showing of The Dark Knight Rises at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado. I was born in Fitzsimons Army Medical Center which is 2.5 miles away from the shooting. I live in Washington now, but I still have three family members within a 5 mile radius of the shooting so it happened right at home for me.

He will be charged with the most shootings in US history. Other people have killed more, but didn't survive themselves to get charged for it.

People from his high school said he showed no emotion, standoffish, didn't talk to many people.
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21 Jul 2012, 10:36 pm

The more I read about him, the more I suspect he is on the spectrum. I really want to hear more about him and what caused him to do this.



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22 Jul 2012, 12:48 am

I don't know near enough about him to say he has AS. But if he did, maybe he didn't know it, I am not saying its ok to kill people, its NOT! But, if someone had AS and didn't know it, that could cause them to "hate the world" or "hate all those people" that it just never works with for an unknown reason. Maybe he gave up, but instead of taking himself, he wanted to be known, and share his sorrow with everyone else.

We can try to find out about him. He is hard to find. He appears to not use social networking sites. Maybe he doesn't go by his real name, maybe he deleted them. Someone in his class said he played an RPG game on the computer in class. So he doesn't sound like the type of person who "doesn't know how to use the computer". If it was an online game, maybe the school keeps records of internet usage, and then they could get his screen name. He does use the name "classicjimbo" on Adult Friend Finder. If you search for his name on Google, all you will find is many media reports, so you have to go to advanced search, and search for dates before the shooting. My mom who still lives there says the employees at Zephyr's Bar said he came in there.



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22 Jul 2012, 1:01 am

Uh oh, I am starting to scare my self. There is a website called ar15.com its a forum. "Home of The Black Rifle"

I think he uses the email [email protected] he goes by Jim or James.



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22 Jul 2012, 1:09 am

angelbear wrote:
Red Robin- I thought the same thing too. From the description they gave about James Holmes. Highly intelligent, a loner, shy, did not make eye contact with people when they passed him. No one really knew him. Socially off. I mean I am definitely not saying that everyone with AS would have the potential to kill like this. I definitely do not believe that. I am the mother of a 7 yr old boy with AS. But I have to admit, the first thing that crossed my mind when I read the description was AS. I wonder if more details about his life will come out. What he did was horrifying----I just wonder what his reasons were.


If it matters, Ted Bundy - who was not autistic - was described similarly by those who knew him.

That's the first thing that crossed my mind when I read the stories today, how people describe him reminded me of how people described Ted Bundy.



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22 Jul 2012, 1:13 am

Nevermind, ldmaster has activity all the back to 2004, and he says he is in his 50s.

"LDMaster owned a Glock, an AR15 and a Remington 870. "Joker" James Holmes used an AR15, a Glock, and a Remington 870.

Let's face it: That's an interesting coincidence. Sure, it may be just a coincidence, but as Fox Mulder once said: "If coincidence is just coincidence, why does it feel so contrived?""



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22 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

I agree----maybe it wasn't AS, but it definitely sounds as if he had some type of personality disorder. I wonder too if he felt as if he was a failure because first he couldn't get a job, and then his grades started to slip and then he just gave up.



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22 Jul 2012, 9:11 am

One thing that crossed my mind, was that if he did have AS, if Batman was a special interest maybe. Maybe that is why his mom automatically knew it was him. I don't know, I guess we will find out more. I honestly hope it doesn't come out that he had AS, because that would give people false impressions of AS.



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