Trying to find a cure is idiotic

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I guess what I meant isn't really that searching for a "cure" is idiotic, it's that the idea of a cure itself is idiotic, and hoping to reach such a cure is foolish.

Thats hardly anywhere near analogous. The major difference is that an autistic person has already been born and is not effectively acting as a parasite that could potentially kill its host.

Curiotical is correct because if hypothetically speaking, an autistic is 'cured' who is to say they are the same person? Autism makes us what we are, and I would actively oppose any motion to find a 'cure' because of the precedence that it would create.Lets be honest if a cure became an option it would no longer be a matter of choice, the NT establishment would find a way to impose it or co-erce it on the unwilling.

Furthermore the world is better off with neurodiversity. Had it not been for autistics of yore we would have lost many scientific and artistic treasures from Isaac Newton to Andy Warhol.

Your sanctimony does nothing to aid the matter.

I agree. We should nurture the next generations of autistics how we supposed to do it, and I don't think we'll have problems than.
I personally think I'm an autistic who's only sometimes suffering from neurotypicals because they discriminate me. Not because their is something wrong with my NEUROLOGY.
And I hope we can prevent 'low' functioning autistics to live happy aswell in the next generations, I agree with Markrams that they're the real savants.

While it's true that some ASD problems are a result of living in an NT world, that doesn't mean that the brains of ASD individuals aren't wired atypically. There IS something wrong with ASD-ers' neurology. Our brains look differently than the other 99% of the population. That cannot be denied, and it doesn't mean that we are defective.

Yes, it would be like saying Black or Chinese people have defective skin.

Sorry, I misunderstood! I agree, the idea of a "cure" is ridiculous.

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"While it's true that some ASD problems are a result of living in an NT world, that doesn't mean the brains of ASD individuals aren't wired atypically. There IS something different about ASD-ers' neurology. Our brains look differently than the other 99% of the population. That cannot be denied, and it doesn't mean that we are defective."

Try not to contradict yourself!

@ the SunRises

How charitable is your desire to provide a 'choice' of cure to autistics, perhaps while we're at it we should work towards offering the same 'choice' to homosexuals.

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How am I contradicting myself? "Different" does not mean "defective." It is silly to say that our brains are not DIFFERENT from the norm, but again, that doesn't mean DEFECTIVE. Read my siggy quote. I am against a cure for neuropsych disorders. But I'm also against people with neuropsych disorders vehemently proclaiming that they don't have different brain wiring.

Quite, if DIFFERENT (as in deviant from the norm) = DEFECTIVE then it means latinos, arabs and homosexuals are defective.

Quite astonishing that in the 21st century we still have this sort of bigotry.

Doesn't that kind of contradict itself? Either atypical is wrong (defective) or not.

EDIT: I see someone else mentioned it already too. To clarify, you said "there IS something wrong with" our neurology. If you're trying to say different is not defective, it wouldn't be "wrong".

"Wrong" in that instance meant "deviant from norm," or "not the anticipated way." I didn't mean "wrong" as "defective." Our brains aren't wired the typical way. They're wired incorrectly from an evolutionary standpoint. But does that mean that we have inferior minds? No. This issue must be looked at through both a scientific lens and an ethical lens. If you have a condition where you have traits different than the norm, then yes, you were made "incorrectly" or "wrong" if you are talking about human development in general. But again, different or "wrong" from a developmental view doesn't mean that we aren't worth less as a person.

Really? I wasn't aware evolution had a plan, let alone that you had access to this plan.

Is having pale skin "incorrect" from an evolutionary standpoint? It can help to avoid rickets, but put you high risk for skin cancer. You'd almost think that there was no absolute "right" or "wrong" in evolution, but only more or less adaptation to specific environments! But that would be crazy, right?

Better therapies and/or treatments, and/or improved programs associated with school or employment, that enhance a child or an adult's ability to cope in life, is an integral part of research associated with the general goal of a cure. The Markram's research into their intense world theory is part of this research aimed at providing individuals with autism a greater ability to cope in life. So far the Markram's research is based on studies of mice, and will potentially eventually be extended to human beings.

Benefits have resulted from research into other neurological/developmental disorders and the beneficial results continue to be effectively improved with autism research. But, it often starts with research scientists, lab coats, and mouse studies.

Any possibility of what can be defined as an actual cure for any sub-group of autism spectrum disorders, is at closest likely decades away, and something some of us may not see in our lifetime, but the research toward that general goal will provide benefits to many on the spectrum as time goes on, similar to what research has provided for the other neurological disorders that have a general goal of a cure attached to mission statements from the organization's that take part in funding the research.

As noted before, the scope of research is pervasive in 50 countries, with over 1800 research publications produced just in the year 2010. With the organization that receives the Lion Share of attention and fear from the Autism community, Autism Speaks, only funding 4% of the 408 million dollars funded by government and private organizations in 2010. If one were miraculously able to defeat Autism Speaks mission funding 18 Million in research in 2010, that 4% would be extended to the other 96% of funding sources for research in the US.

There is no possible way to stop research associated with Autism or any other neurological disorder, since the general public, private organizations, and the government is solidly behind the research, so a better alternative may be to understand the research that is actually ongoing, and to offer input, if one has an idea on how research might be better addressed to serve the needs of individuals now.

People talking about research for autism being ridiculous is taken no more seriously by the general public than people talking about Cancer research as being ridiculous. While I can understand and support those that don't seek a cure for themselves and I think they should be provided the opportunity to express that opinion openly, when the opinion is expressed that no research should be done toward a cure for autism it is viewed as a callous and selfish opinion, as the reality of those that do suffer from severely debilitating symptoms associated with autism is real, and understood as real by the general public. As long as the general public and parents care about adults and children on the spectrum and want to continue to fund this research it is going to continue.

A cure for Epilepsy, a cure for Cancer, a cure for Cerebral Palsy, and a cure for Autism are just words that comprise a general metaphorical goal in mission statements for government and private organizations. A metaphor is nothing to be particularly concerned about when it is addressed at a goal that one will not likely see in their lifetime.

Curse my ancestors for not being normal coacervates! They were made wrong! All the diversity of life on earth is the result of BADNESS.

smh

You misunderstood my point. Of course, Autistics' brains are wired differently, but In your original post, you used the word "wrong" instead of "different" which would imply that we are defective, ergo you inadvertently contradicted yourself.

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