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31 Aug 2012, 9:08 pm

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Not to mention BPD itself is mostly a wastebasket dx to begin with


I was diagnosed with BPD as well, by the therapist who is in denial about my AS. They just give you one of the few disorders they happen to have studied at school.


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31 Aug 2012, 10:32 pm

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Who are they "3 independent experts"? What are their qualifications?


1. Autism expert in Max-Planck-Institute Berlin (Germany)
2. Autism Center in Stuttgart (Germany)
3. Autism Consultation in the University Clinic Heidelberg (Germany)


You don't have to answer questions like that.



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31 Aug 2012, 10:49 pm

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I'm a psychology student, and... well, some of my classmates really don't have much intellectual curiosity. They just want to get the grades and get out. But it's hard to get into graduate school, and they're undergrads. I don't think a lot of them will be making it to a profession in clinical psychology, because while they can spend the sort of effort you have to expend to get the sky-high grades you need to get into clinical psychology graduate programs, they don't really enjoy learning. They'll probably get their undergrad degree and go into a field unrelated or peripherally related to psychology.

But if some of those non-curious people who don't like to think very much were to get that graduate degree and end up as psychologists and counselors, yeah, I could see them causing some serious problems. They're not bad people; they're just not people who like to think things through thoroughly--they're not natural scientists. A psychologist needs to be capable of--and enjoy--critical thinking and ongoing education. About three-quarters of the ones I've met do enjoy learning and thinking, but there are quite a few that don't. And those people, I can run circles around. It's sad when an undergrad like me knows more about psychology than a guy with a doctorate, but it can happen, if the undergraduate is an information sponge and the guy with the doctorate isn't really interested in learning. When I get somebody like that, I try to find somebody else. If I want to consult an expert about my weird neurology, I want them to actually be able to tell me things I don't know already, and to be willing to explain things to me and answer my questions instead of just expecting me to take it all on authority.


There are plenty of people who use psychology and psychiatry degrees as a path to money and social status. These people don't need to know much, just more than people know know nothing. Many clinicians aren't too particular about what diagnosis and treatment they give as long as they're collecting a check every week or two. I don't know what's worse; these people trying to treat clients or them teaching people to treat clients.



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31 Aug 2012, 10:50 pm

Moondust wrote:
Matt62 wrote:
Not to mention BPD itself is mostly a wastebasket dx to begin with


I was diagnosed with BPD as well, by the therapist who is in denial about my AS. They just give you one of the few disorders they happen to have studied at school.


Either that, or they'll give you the diagnosis that insurance companies deem the most serious. So that your insurance will continue to pay them many more hours to be your therapist.



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31 Aug 2012, 10:57 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
Moondust wrote:
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Not to mention BPD itself is mostly a wastebasket dx to begin with


I was diagnosed with BPD as well, by the therapist who is in denial about my AS. They just give you one of the few disorders they happen to have studied at school.


Either that, or they'll give you the diagnosis that insurance companies deem the most serious. So that your insurance will continue to pay them many more hours to be your therapist.


Exactly.



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31 Aug 2012, 11:13 pm

In my country some experts and "normal" therapists start to recognice ASD, but most missdiagnose autism expessially as BPD or schizophrenia.
My psychiatrist even didn't know what "HFA" is, when I came to her.

Health insurances pay you nothing to treat ASD, just comorbid disorders. Because there is no "cure" for ASD and it's a lifelong condition, but they pay well for BPD and also schizophrenia.


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31 Aug 2012, 11:17 pm

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Health insurances pay you nothing to treat ASD, just comorbid disorders. Because there is no "cure" for ASD and it's a lifelong condition, but they pay well for BPD and also schizophrenia.


Odd, considering that BPD and schizophrenia are both lifelong conditions, as well, and BPD is highly resistant to many kind of treatment or therapy.


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31 Aug 2012, 11:28 pm

Schizophrenia is actually a decent guess. If there's no active psychoses (such comes and goes), the presentation is fairly close (especially too if childhood history isn't known).

Back in the day, they found most people with AS were misdiagnosed with schizophrenia (some study I read).



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01 Sep 2012, 12:01 am

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sometimes I wonder how the hell people get their psychiatry license.


Sycophancy?


LOL



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01 Sep 2012, 12:19 am

SyphonFilter wrote:
Moondust wrote:
Matt62 wrote:
Not to mention BPD itself is mostly a wastebasket dx to begin with


I was diagnosed with BPD as well, by the therapist who is in denial about my AS. They just give you one of the few disorders they happen to have studied at school.


Either that, or they'll give you the diagnosis that insurance companies deem the most serious. So that your insurance will continue to pay them many more hours to be your therapist.


Not here, as here therapy is not included in any insurance. And autism is considered a lot more severe than BPD. I'm sure that, when diagnosing, they don't even remember that Asperger's exists as one of the options. My therapist had not discarded the possibility of AS at any stage. It had simply never come to her mind.

A neighbor is doing an MA in Psychology, so she's fresh from school, and she told me they teach them that AS can be awakened or not, depending on environmental influences. I guess they believe that with enough psychotherapy they can get AS to go back to sleep... Interesting that, with zero knowledge of neurology, they are sure that a specific brain structure can be changed back and forth by means of talks...


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01 Sep 2012, 12:31 am

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A neighbor is doing an MA in Psychology, so she's fresh from school, and she told me they teach them that AS can be awakened or not, depending on environmental influences. I guess they believe that with enough psychotherapy they can get AS to go back to sleep... Interesting that, with zero knowledge of neurology, they are sure that a specific brain structure can be changed back and forth by means of talks...


That is very interesting. :?



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01 Sep 2012, 1:05 am

I was shocked to hear that. She wouldn't go into a discussion or try to hear it from an aspie herself. I guess they're more concerned with keeping their secure place in the system than making a difference...


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01 Sep 2012, 1:10 am

I'd shove my foot straight up that quack's bootay.



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01 Sep 2012, 1:58 am

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A neighbor is doing an MA in Psychology, so she's fresh from school, and she told me they teach them that AS can be awakened or not, depending on environmental influences. I guess they believe that with enough psychotherapy they can get AS to go back to sleep... Interesting that, with zero knowledge of neurology, they are sure that a specific brain structure can be changed back and forth by means of talks...


That is very interesting. :?
And scary. There's no scientific backing for anything of the sort. Certainly AS can get easier or harder to deal with depending on environment and physical/mental health, but it's a basic neurological difference. It's not something that comes in episodes like depression or schizophrenia does. Getting somebody's AS to "go into remission" doesn't make sense. That would be like saying you've gotten somebody's dwarfism to go into remission because you've taught them how to deal with a world where everything's too high up, issued them a step ladder, and hired a couple of contractors to make their house and office little-person-friendly.


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01 Sep 2012, 8:05 am

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A neighbor is doing an MA in Psychology, so she's fresh from school, and she told me they teach them that AS can be awakened or not, depending on environmental influences. I guess they believe that with enough psychotherapy they can get AS to go back to sleep...


That's just flat out irresponsible. How can a university teach people things that have absolutely no scientific backing?


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01 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm

It just reinforced my view that Psychology can help aspies, but we have to stay well away from Psychologists. I'd only ever trust a Psychologist if they were an aspie themselves, and a very enlightened one at that.

Once, when I called Social Services they asked me if I was sick. I said no, then when hearing that I have AS they scolded me for lying and saying that I was not sick. I brought an AS specialist to talk to them and they called me to apologize. This also reinforced my view that, apart from AS specialists, NO ONE knows the least about AS, at least in my neck of the woods.

But what scares me the most is that both institutions, psychologists and social workers, were adamant at refusing to hear it from an aspie themselves.


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