AS should be named Evolution Syndrome

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09 Dec 2006, 6:51 am

Deutha,

Wow, what made you say that!? I knew a girl once who, in etrospect, had several distinct physical autistic traits. SHE was born with 6 fingers on eash hand, and had one on each chopped off.

Also, she wasn't stupid, and went to a normal private school. Maybe SHE had AS also.

Most such fingers SUPPOSEDLY don't work, but there IS at least one person that has 12 good fingers. He has to getspecial gloves, etc... but he LIKES IT! He muses that they much just have forgotten to count his fingers!



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09 Dec 2006, 7:04 am

I'm happy with the name Asperger Syndrome.

The 1st thing that springs into my mind when you say "Evolution Syndrome" is X-Men, meaning that if we affiliated with that, we are said by the public as outcasts and should be cured.

This is also referring to Autism, and besides both Aspergers and Autism being on the spectrum. They are at opposite ends with each other on the spectrun and are not the same thing.



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09 Dec 2006, 7:54 am

I think the main problem is that the syndrome has a list of possible symptoms, and it isn't made clear UP FRONT that they are POSSIBLE symptoms that in themselves don't have anything directly to do with the syndrome. If you read further, it is more like a list where you can pick and choose. If you have the right mix, you have aspergers.

The average joe may not understand that and feel we all are spining, out of control, have tons of tantrums, always hurt ourselves, are ret*d, etc.... Hell, many HERE seem to think of AS ONLY with the mix THEY have. That is bad. The more the average person sees it as being as I described, the more they will want to opt for abortion if they find their kid has that "problem".

BTW even the most fervent believer in evolution will tell you that a big change may not succeed, but later may occur in small steps, and that changes don't generally happen in only one place. Sometimes a minor change in one area may cause major problems. OK, so AS may not be any different in that regard.

HECK, ALL zygotes have that same potential problem. A minor change could cause them to SPLIT! Sometimes it is complete, and you get twins like mary kate and ashley. Sometimes it isn't, and you get siamese twins. are we to look down at mary kate and asley because they are like chang and eng?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siamese_twins

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09 Dec 2006, 9:33 am

Deutha wrote:
cool lets all luv NT's as they 'wage their war on curing autism'...

i happen to think we deserve as much a place in society in our own way as they do in their way...and that people should be more accepting/understanding of the diversity of life...

still today..if a kid is born with 6 fingers....one gets chopped off....even tho that would be damn handy when typing on a computer etc.... we insist on suppressing anything that is different...


You're forgetting that some Aspies want it too, it isn't just NT's.

And who is saying we don't on here?


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09 Dec 2006, 10:35 am

>>You're forgetting that some Aspies want it too, it isn't just NT's.

not sure where i said that...i'm all for someone getting treatment via their own free will....but not so much a blanket cure for what science currently seems to consider a disorder...

>>And who is saying we don't on here?

well u mainly...u r hacking on stipey etc...for expressing some positive thoughts about being aspie on an aspie website when society mainly degrades the condition..and makes it difficult for many aspies to survive in..

also he never mentioned the word 'ape'...while u have this in ur profile: You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're a bloody moron.

who are u calling a moron..... ppl that other people might like that u don't even know?

'stripey, how would you feel if some of the people you happen to like were basically said to be nothing but Apes by people who didn't even know them?'



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09 Dec 2006, 8:02 pm

Deutha wrote:
>>And who is saying we don't on here?

well u mainly...u r hacking on stipey etc...for expressing some positive thoughts about being aspie on an aspie website when society mainly degrades the condition..and makes it difficult for many aspies to survive in..

also he never mentioned the word 'ape'... >>snip<<
'stripey, how would you feel if some of the people you happen to like were basically said to be nothing but Apes by people who didn't even know them?'


Again, the word ape was not explicitly used, but the evolution argument makes that comparison built-in.

We're not hacking on stipey etc for expressing positive thoughts. We're hacking on stipey etc for expressing supremacist thoughts. Which he is allowed to express, of course, but we're allowed to disagree.


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09 Dec 2006, 8:13 pm

>>We're hacking on stipey etc for expressing supremacist thoughts.

'I sometimes entertain the notion that the human race is developing into a colony species like some bugs. We're the brain bugs'

u mean like this? ;)



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10 Dec 2006, 4:36 am

Deutha wrote:
>>You're forgetting that some Aspies want it too, it isn't just NT's.

not sure where i said that...i'm all for someone getting treatment via their own free will....but not so much a blanket cure for what science currently seems to consider a disorder...

>>And who is saying we don't on here?

well u mainly...u r hacking on stipey etc...for expressing some positive thoughts about being aspie on an aspie website when society mainly degrades the condition..and makes it difficult for many aspies to survive in..

also he never mentioned the word 'ape'...while u have this in ur profile: You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're a bloody moron.

who are u calling a moron..... ppl that other people might like that u don't even know?

'stripey, how would you feel if some of the people you happen to like were basically said to be nothing but Apes by people who didn't even know them?'


You said that we should all love NT's which seems like sarcasm as if we're Curbies or something.

Positive thoughts? As in NT's are lower than us? As we're better than them just like Hitler thought that we were better than the Jews?

Check previous, and my Signature has nothing to do with this.


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10 Dec 2006, 5:05 am

Deutha wrote:
>>We're hacking on stipey etc for expressing supremacist thoughts.

'I sometimes entertain the notion that the human race is developing into a colony species like some bugs. We're the brain bugs'

u mean like this? ;)


I should point out that in the same post, I stated that I had just made that up. (Apparently, I'm not the first.)

Plus, in a colony species, the individual is nil, so being a "Brain Bug" wouldn't make you superior. It would be like a spark plug insisting that it was the most important part of an engine.


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10 Dec 2006, 5:22 am

Deutha wrote:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/autism_evolution.shtml

Even so, it isn't evolution unless aspies have enough children to push NTs into the minority, which, again, isn't happening.



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10 Dec 2006, 9:46 am

The article sounds really interesting, but I'd want to read the articles it refers to before I took it too seriously. "Rusty Rockets" on "Science-a-gogo" isn't going to make me change my mind. :)

But I must admit, it raises interesting questions.


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10 Dec 2006, 9:51 am

Catalyst wrote:
The article sounds really interesting, but I'd want to read the articles it refers to before I took it too seriously. "Rusty Rockets" on "Science-a-gogo" isn't going to make me change my mind. :)

But I must admit, it raises interesting questions.


lol definately not(on rusty rockets! (that name tickles me tho...made the experience richer)).....yeah more interesting is what tony attwood & richard dawkins say within the article...



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10 Dec 2006, 10:48 am

Seigneur wrote:
Deutha wrote:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/autism_evolution.shtml

Even so, it isn't evolution unless aspies have enough children to push NTs into the minority, which, again, isn't happening.


I dont "get" this - aspies came from something and normal people can have aspie children.. if it IS evolution then everyone is evolving, it doesnt mean everyone is at at the same spot nor does it mean it'll happen over night..



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Corvus wrote:
Seigneur wrote:
Deutha wrote:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/autism_evolution.shtml

Even so, it isn't evolution unless aspies have enough children to push NTs into the minority, which, again, isn't happening.


I dont "get" this - aspies came from something and normal people can have aspie children.. if it IS evolution then everyone is evolving, it doesnt mean everyone is at at the same spot nor does it mean it'll happen over night..


That isn't evolution. Evolution is when a new version of a species breeds the old version out of existance. What's happening with the increased incidence of AS isn't because AS people are having more children. The people with a genetic predisposition to AS hasn't increased, but the environmental trigger that causes it has.



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10 Dec 2006, 4:43 pm

To be fair, that's not necessarily true. A species can evolve from another species and leave the parent species intact, otherwise evolution could only provide for one or two species at a time.

However, I don't think that's what's happening here-- a number of 1 in 500 (to use a more conservative number than 1 in 166) appearing across the globe... this is something else in operation. I'm willing to accept that the existence of ASDs predates our naming them, sure, but at these numbers, we'd have to have been developing for a lot longer than a couple of centuries.

Certainly, we know that genetics can play a part. But we also know that ASD kids can be born to parents who are completely NT.

That's not evolution. I don't know what the hell it is, but it's not evolution.


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