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16 Dec 2006, 9:23 am

Only this few people have horror diagnostic stories? :shock: I'm a bit surprised.


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16 Dec 2006, 10:02 am

Well, so many things take SO long, and so many view them as idiots. The "therapists" were probably not given many chances to look like buffoons!

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16 Dec 2006, 3:56 pm

Do these misdiagnosis stories have to relate specifically to psychologists or psychiatrists?



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17 Dec 2006, 12:07 am

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YEAH, I had the SAME problem! I even said here how they once wanted to hold me back, because I never turned in the homework. They decided not to because I did very well on all the tests! That was when I cared about school and grades, but was bored silly. Someone here spoke of being bored while OTHERS learned to read. SAME HERE! When I was asked to read, I just ran through the sentences, while the others struggled to sound out. And they wonder why kids have learning problems. I would have loved school a LOT more, and done better, if they gave me work in areas I was NOT so good in. I ASKED!

BTW LATER, they said I could SKIP grades, and I didn't because I just kept thinking about how bullying would be worse, etc....

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Interesting. I skipped 1st grade, as I was reading at about a junior-high level already. But- we moved, and it became apparent that I had some socialization issues, and I was small for my size. So I repeated 2nd grade, putting me back in line with where I was supposed to be.

I spent much of 2nd grade (part II) sitting by myself reading in a corner, as it was pointless to have me participate in the reading/writing/vocabulary parts of class. While I found this to be to my liking, it did make me seem like a freak, further contributing to socialization issues. And then they wondered why I disliked school so much?

We're starting the process of getting my son diagnosed so he won't have to deal with those things. He just turned 4. Today, he was drawing when his little brother (2.5 yrs old) started playing with HIS trains (obsessive!). I looked at his finished drawings a while later... he had written on one sheet of paper, quite clearly... "Yes Eben it is my tran."

As for the question about psychologists/psychiatrists:
I saw both psychologists and psychiatrists, but this was off and on from about 1983-1988 (ages 12-17). AS wasn't in the DSM IV at the time, so getting a diagnosis back then was nearly impossible, I would think. This may be the case in some of these stories.



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17 Dec 2006, 10:51 am

MelancholyBunny wrote:
Do these misdiagnosis stories have to relate specifically to psychologists or psychiatrists?


Any old mental health professional will do-- or even stories about the school system and imbecilic teachers, etc. :)


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17 Dec 2006, 12:21 pm

Sophist wrote:
MelancholyBunny wrote:
Do these misdiagnosis stories have to relate specifically to psychologists or psychiatrists?


Any old mental health professional will do-- or even stories about the school system and imbecilic teachers, etc. :)


OOPS!! !! Now you have done it!

How about a woodworking "teacher" that CLAIMED to be FOR safety, yet lost most of his fingers on a saw, and was CARELESS!? How about the fact that he let some stupid clumsy evil jerks in that tried to push me into a circular sander? My face and hands would have been, at the very least, severly scared if not for luck, quick thinking, and a strong back. STILL, a Jewelry box I made for my mother(I was bored and this was all I had), has beveled corners! WHY????? Because I used IT to give me time to get out of harms way. The box was obviously damaged(Damage **I** would have otherwise sustained), so I beveled every corner to look nice and consistant! TRUE STORY! Had those guys not gotten out of there, I probably would have showed them what I really COULD do.

BTW I installed a switch in a home for one of the teachers. That woodworking "teacher" seemed to LAUGH at the fact I turned the power off to the circuit first!

BTW I never came CLOSE(OK, except for the one time a couple people actually tried to PUSH me into one!) to getting hurt by any power equipment even though I have used lathes, saws(all sorts), drills, routers, welders, etc...

How about a college electronics "teacher" that thinks the average person thinks electricity and light are the same, and is an utter IDIOT! He was supposedly the head of the department!

How about a college computer "teacher"(COBOL) that went MONTHS without teaching anyone anything, and I doubt she knew anything. Oh well, at least she gave me a nice book in PASCAL, and I learned PASCAL, BY MYSELF. Oh well, I knew COBOL anyway, I learned it myself. I took the class only to try to get credit for it.

How about all the english teachers that ENDLESSLY teach the SAME thing. Most of the stuff is stuff nobody remembers, but it was always intuitive! I remember once going through all the vocabulary in a book. I just knew it ALL! She told me to erase it, and do it at the classes pace. That is especially odd since we were tested in it ANYWAY! They should have just given me more to study.

How about all the teachers that are nothing but BABYSITTERS? If the books aren't complete, you have trouble learning ANYTHING from just the class.

I could go on and on! I wish **I** ran the public school system. I bet I could cut costs 60%, decrease truancy/suicides/homicides, increase grades, and even improve the work force and the US reputation. It would ALSO be more autistic friendly, and I bet even LFA sufferers would DISAPPEAR because they would move up the spectrum! It is PITIFUL that the US was once one of the best in the world, respected, etc... and now it is often considered one of the WORST! Even by countries the US used to LAUGH at!

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17 Dec 2006, 4:21 pm

Sophist wrote:
MelancholyBunny wrote:
Do these misdiagnosis stories have to relate specifically to psychologists or psychiatrists?


Any old mental health professional will do-- or even stories about the school system and imbecilic teachers, etc. :)


In that case, i had to go to A and E because of SH, while the injury wasn't particularly serious i was admitted overnight which i found a little odd, what was odder was the behaviour of the nurses and other staff, they wouldn't let me go to the bathroom on my own, wouldn't let me close the door to my room and a nurse sat outside the open door all night. As i had never been in hospital overnight before i found this behaviour a little strange but assumed it was normal.

In the morning i met with a mental health worker who i knew as he had treated me the previous year. I talked to him for a while and he decided that i could go home and that he wasn't going to make an appointment for me to see anyone, i already had an appointment with him in a few weeks.

It wasn't until later when my mother, who was ranting about incompetent doctors, declared that any idiot looking at my history would know that i wasn't suicidal, this confused me as i had never been labeled suicidal before, she then went on to say that she had told the doctor repeatedly that i wasn't suicidal but he refused to listen. Of course, now the strange behaviour at the hospital made sense, at first i was shocked that a doctor could get it so wrong as to think i was suicidal, though now i find it rather amusing that i was so completely oblivious.



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18 Dec 2006, 7:39 am

What about the doctor I saw a few weeks ago? Among other things, I said I was having trouble with some sounds being distorted and asked if it might be possible that I were going deaf. I said some things sounded really loud and she told me that meant I couldn't be possibly losing my hearing.

She doesn't know much about that as with some degree of hearing loss, there is a phenomenon called "recruitment" where some sounds get louder and more distorted in the person's experience.

I've since seen a new doctor, who is getting my left ear checked out further as there could be loss of hearing in some frequencies.

She listens and she is sympathetic and even if she doesn't know a lot about autism (I haven't told her much about that side of things so I don't know how much she knows yet), she is a much better professional to deal with.


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18 Dec 2006, 8:58 am

SteveK wrote:
Sophist wrote:
MelancholyBunny wrote:
Do these misdiagnosis stories have to relate specifically to psychologists or psychiatrists?


Any old mental health professional will do-- or even stories about the school system and imbecilic teachers, etc. :)

Actually, my psychiatrist, Dr O'Brady is wonderful. She told me on my second appointment that she thought I had AS, and she certainly seems to know what she's talking about. She's an NHS psych, but certainly, I don;t think i could have got a better or more compassionate and understanding professional if i had gone private. I guess I got lucky. I have met others of her patients, all of whom have mental health issues of one kind or anotyer, and they all agree that she's lovely. A friend of mine told her how she was treated by other psychiatrists in mental health servides in 10 years (unnanounced drug changes, left on the floor after a fit, ECT and not listening to her) and Dr O'Brady was absolutely horrified, and straight away told my friend she wouldn't suggest ECT and wouldn't put her on meds if she didn't want to go on them and would go slowly and carefyully with her due to hert horrible experiences with "bad psychiatrists" (Dr O'Brady's own words!) in the past


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How about all the English teachers that ENDLESSLY teach the SAME thing. Most of the stuff is stuff nobody remembers, but it was always intuitive! I remember once going through all the vocabulary in a book. I just knew it ALL! She told me to erase it, and do it at the classes pace. That is especially odd since we were tested in it ANYWAY! They should have just given me more to study.
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I had an English teacher once who did a spelling test and told us that "genocide" was spelt "genacide". (As a result, I got 9/10 ninstead of 10/10 in the test.) I was kind and went to correct him when everybody else was gone, he got all high and mighty "I'm the English teacher, I should know, and I know i'm right" and when I persisted, he said "Ok, we'll check a dictionary."

Give him credit, he DID apologise, profusely, when I was proved to be correct.

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18 Dec 2006, 9:56 am

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I had an English teacher once who did a spelling test and told us that "genocide" was spelt "genacide". (As a result, I got 9/10 ninstead of 10/10 in the test.) I was kind and went to correct him when everybody else was gone, he got all high and mighty "I'm the English teacher, I should know, and I know i'm right" and when I persisted, he said "Ok, we'll check a dictionary."

Give him credit, he DID apologise, profusely, when I was proved to be correct.

JulieArticuno


I FORGOT about that! I had one teacher that was supposed to be teaching AP english, and SHE was FAR worse than the example you gave!

YEP, my teachers have run the gambit from THAT one to the average ones that are just OK, to one that I have to actually give some credit to!

I had one english teacher in a small school that NEVER gave me an A! NEVER! We found out that even the person considered to be the smartest in the school(It was a small school, he skipped a couple grades. and was openly acknowledged as generally the smartest) NEVER got an A. We went to the teacher to ask him WHY! His ANSWER?

NOBODY deserved an A in his class. He just wouldn't give them.

That might sound rather arrogant, but I had to kind of respect him. He was REALLY into his job, taught advanced vocabulary (Even if it DID merely consist of following a college vocabulary course in this high school class), and even read the dictionary in his spare time! I saw him doing that ALL THE TIME! Such dedication is rare. I can't say I agree that a person getting 100% doesn't deserve an A, but I am willing to make such a concession if the teacher cares enough!

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19 Dec 2006, 7:58 pm

JulieArticuno wrote:
Sophist wrote:
MelancholyBunny wrote:
Do these misdiagnosis stories have to relate specifically to psychologists or psychiatrists?


Any old mental health professional will do-- or even stories about the school system and imbecilic teachers, etc. :)

Actually, my psychiatrist, Dr O'Brady is wonderful. She told me on my second appointment that she thought I had AS, and she certainly seems to know what she's talking about. She's an NHS psych, but certainly, I don;t think i could have got a better or more compassionate and understanding professional if i had gone private. I guess I got lucky. I have met others of her patients, all of whom have mental health issues of one kind or anotyer, and they all agree that she's lovely. A friend of mine told her how she was treated by other psychiatrists in mental health servides in 10 years (unnanounced drug changes, left on the floor after a fit, ECT and not listening to her) and Dr O'Brady was absolutely horrified, and straight away told my friend she wouldn't suggest ECT and wouldn't put her on meds if she didn't want to go on them and would go slowly and carefyully with her due to hert horrible experiences with "bad psychiatrists" (Dr O'Brady's own words!) in the past


That's great, Julie. :) I'm glad you've really lucked out. It's a shame that people like Dr O'Brady seem so rare.


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19 Dec 2006, 8:28 pm

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Seriously, I have a relative who had ECT for depression, and although it seemed to cure her depression, her behaviour's now so eccentric that about half her family are driven nuts by her and the other half are so ashamed of her they don't want to be associated with her.

My Mum says that my autism is a lot more noticeable since I had ECT. I also space out a lot!

A mistake was made when I had ECT the second time, I wasn't given enough muscle relaxant and I had a seizure that lasted five minutes. Scared the bejeebers out of the doctor and nurses. Hahaha.
I was very sore afterwards.



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20 Dec 2006, 1:32 am

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Only this few people have horror diagnostic stories? :shock: I'm a bit surprised.


:lol:

I got one...

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When I was 15, I had one friend in the entire world, and I mean that quite literally. We were the two oddest kids in our small school, and we stood up for and needed each other. To me, she had the social skills and confidence I didn't, and to her, I had the honesty and the brains the other kids didn't.
One day when she was sleeping over at my house, I heard my father yell for me from the bathroom. When I got there, he smacked me on the back of the head because I hadn't properly wiped down the walls, and that's bad for the grout or whatever it's called.
Naturally, I freaked out and yelled at him to not touch me. Never been comfortable with being touched without warning, and if I'm nervous, better give me an extra foot or two because seriously, I can't stand to be touched.
My friend obviously came to my aid, yelling at my dad to never hit me again.
Now, my dad never hit us, it was that one time only, and really, it didn't hurt. But she got kicked out of our house for talking to him that way.
I think now that perhaps my parents didn't mean, "never" come back, but I took it literally and threatened to kill myself because I thought that I would never get to see my only friend again. Hormones and a literal mind are a dangerous combination.
Long story short, they called the ambulance because I had a knife in my hand and was having a full-blown-screaming-incoherently meltdown.

They kept me at the hospital for 2 weeks. Gave me ink blot tests, IQ tests, reading tests, language tests, blood tests, and urine tests. Oh, and they talked at me and nodded condescendingly quite a bit, too.
I came out of there with a DX for ADHD, a prescription for Ritalin, and the sensation that no one really unbderstood what I had told them. Maybe a mood disorder, too, I remember hearing the shrink say to my folks.
Well DUH. I don't know a single adolescent whose moods are completely stable, and pile on top of that an inability to make friends, understand jokes, and a single-mindedness that makes a train track look wavy, along with a father who's very similar, only who's an adult and in complete denial of himself, well, YEAH, this kid might seem messed up.
Despite her relatively high IQ and general good nature.

Yeah, out with the pdocs, in with the neurologists!! !

Let's have a good helping of science in lieu of that pseudo-medecine!

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20 Dec 2006, 7:34 am

WOW! Well, at least they tested your IQ(to keep you from looking like an idiot), and they did teh usual psychiatric garbage to reassure themselves. I'm assuming you didn't use the knife on THEM, didn't hurt yourself much, etc.... WOW some objects/people around you ****REALLY**** over reacted.

I hope they realized that the doctor was an idiot. I hope he demeaned your father in front of your father. If so, and your father felt it was TRUE, it should have given your father a reason to change his ways. If he felt it was FALSE, he should have mistrusted EVERYTHING the doctor said. I hope you and your friend got back together.

MAN, I am beginning to see why some autistics hate pronouns! When I saw complex german sentences with declension, my eyes lit up and it was like "WOW, so THAT is why they did that!! !!"! The pronouns and nouns change to indicate the relationship clearer. I STILL have a problem with declension in German though. 8-(

ALSO, the way you described it, they should have been HAPPY about your friend coming to your aid. That's what friends are for!

ALSO, if grout was the only worry, it shouldn't have been a big deal. That is like the easiest part of a bathroom to fix! You could maybe clean it. If not, they have scrapers that can remove the old stuff. You mix new stuff(MOST is a standard color), and just make a big mess with it, and squeege it off! SIMPLE! It can actually be kind of fun! It could even have been a father daughter type deal(if it was REALLY bad). Now if it was a lot of water on the floor(If it stays in the middle of a tile floor, it should be ok, because it IS made to be waterproof), or on exposed wood/plasterboard, THAT would have been bad.

It's a pity I wasn't there when I was 15. I was STUBBORN, had the SAME problems as you, even suicidal tendencies(Although I could never go very far because I didn't want to end up a vegetable, just DEAD). One thing though. I REALLY took it in stride. My parents have TOGETHER to me remarked about how well behaved I was. OH, I yelled at them, didn't listen, argued, got away from them, etc... But I NEVER took drugs, was violent, destroyed property, etc....

I guess *I* was that elusive teenager that doctor was talking about, and I would have reacted if I heard him say that garbage.

I'm certainly not claiming I am any betterthan you, etc... Just saying that he was a QUACK about everything! He should stop charging others, and GROW a bill, he is such a quack. :roll:
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22 Dec 2006, 5:20 pm

Quick question (need to go to sleep - haven't been sleeping enough and am tired): has anyone heard of Dr. D. Hayes (Springfield locum)? He was v. good.


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