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27 Oct 2012, 1:05 pm

Another example I can think of about how logic is the ability to see the truth in a situation is in regard to Temple Grandin's work with cattle. The cattle industry had been sending cattle into dipping vats by having them slide on a slippery metal surface into the solution as if they were rolling marbles down a shoot, which caused panic and suffering. That is illogical.

People simply disregarded the fact that the animals were living sentient beings that deserved respect. They weren't looking at the truth in the situation but only concerned with making money.



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27 Oct 2012, 1:32 pm

Another thing that is totally illogical is war. I understand logic. I was a computer programmer for many years. COBOL business applications, boring stuff, but the logic involved in programming is no different than logic that can be applied to life. You have to look at all the facts and look for the truth and the solution becomes obvious and if your reasoning is flawed there is no solution.



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27 Oct 2012, 3:52 pm

nessa238 wrote:

I get the impression that you assume anyone who loses their temper has lost the logic battle



I have no such impression at all.

All I am saying that everyone--NT, Aspie, or otherwise--has issues that cause them to lose objectivity and replace their normally logical thought patterns with much more subjective ones that are often not logical or logically consistent. This may or may not happen in the context of anger or lost temper.

But...I guess if we are to be technically accurate, if someone has "lost" their temper, it denotes a sense of loss of self-control (otherwise it would just be described as being angry) and I would imagine that logic can easily become faulty if you are not in control of yourself.


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29 Oct 2012, 4:49 am

I do appreciate all the responses. Though, I've really just read a bunch if posts arguing the definition of logic.

What is needed is a set definition of the thing we are talking about, then a discussion about the application of that thing can take place. This is why no one learns anything or changes opinions on forums or anywhere in life.

That may have been my bad.



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29 Oct 2012, 9:19 am

It would be arrogant of me to pretend I NEVER had thoughts that were illogical but I would certainly say that pure systematic logic with a skew towards problem-solving is my mental default. I get the impression that this is common for aspies but it is a spectrum and the illogical voices are often the loudest so it might not always appear that we are very logical.

Just an (educated) guess.


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29 Oct 2012, 9:25 am

Also, in response to the debate about the objective/subjective nature of logical thought; I see logic like a mathematical equation. Ie. condition 1 + condition 2 must lead to condition 3. That example statement may turn out to be a false assumption in which case it was not logical or it could be based on incorrect assumptions in which case it was logically true but flawed because of false assumptions. What I am trying to say is that the concept of logic itself is cold, scientific and objective, whereas a persons correct or incorrect attempt at implementing said logic is subjective and open to discussion and interpretation based on potentially false assumptions and incorrect causal connections.

Please feel free to point out any flaws in my logic though :)


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